Thanks, Cheri for the help. I can usually pick out names and key words that tell me most of the information I seek. From there, I have to rely on someone like Joao Ventura to transcribe and translate the record. This John M. Machado Deniz is my friend's paternal grandfather. So far, I have not a solid lead as to where he was born, other than "Azores." I think I found his wife yesterday being baptized in Rosais, Sao Jorge. I have sent the information to Joao for translation. This couple, most likely married here in the states and the earliest information I found was that John purchased a plot (4 graves) at Mt. St. Joseph cemetery in Hayward to bury his 10 month old son, Alexander. Both Eric and Elaine kindly found newspaper, census and deed information that led me to Mary Machado Deniz, John's wife, being born in St. Jorge and when her sister died, the parents names were listed in her obit. I had some time yesterday and used the CC site to look through the baptism records and using a time frame of 5 years before and 5 years after her "probable" year of birth, I THINK I FOUND HER. I mention this to give everyone hope that you can also find your ancestor with a little information and a lot of work. Of course, having the father's name being Alexander de Melo helped. I think the record said Alexander was from Vila Franca, Sao Miguel. Any relation to you, Cheri? Thanks again for the help, Celeste, Hayward, CA
Celeste Perry [email protected] --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge research To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 9:23 AM For those wanting to take a look the full URL is: http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SJVMB1870-1879/SJVMB1870-1879_item1/P99.html Celeste, it looks to me like he puts baby, son of father who is the son of X & Y and his wife (baby's mother) who is the daughter of X & Y. It's hard to tell which grandparents are dead. Then it says the church and freguesia stuff. The birth date is in the middle of the document, followed by the godparents. The purple priest (or scribe - and I'm sure the ink wasn't purple, it's probably the color that has been left behind over time) wrote that format. The image before in black ink follows the standard format that we're all trained to read. Go up to baptism 24 and the black ink is back along with the standard format. Maybe the purple priest was dipping the pen into the vinho instead of the ink and that fantastic table wine got him confused on the format? LOL What's interesting about the one you point out is that it translates to: Manoel, son of Jorge Machado Diniz, son of another one (d'outro) and of Maria Florinda (?) da Silveira, both dead (ja defunctos - "ja defun" on one line and "ct os" (he put a small space in there when he picked up his pen), and of his wife, Maria do Espirito Santo, daughter of Manuel Silveira Pereira, and of Barbara Silveira, both dead (ja defunctos all together and when his writes a lower case "s" on the end of words he hangs it below the line - you can see that elsewhere in this baptism). I think it was Eliseu or Joao Ventura who clarified the meaning of when a person is a son of a "d'outo." The literal translation is strange. It means that the father has the same name as the son. I've added a bit more detail here for those who are trying to learn to read, as I know Celeste can read pretty much all of the records. Hopefully a Sao Jorge researcher will also chime in here. Cheri #yiv1114109273 #avg_ls_inline_popup {padding:0px 0px;margin-left:0px;margin-top:0px;width:240px;overflow:hidden;word-wrap:break-word;color:black;font-size:10px;text-align:left;line-height:13px;} -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
