Hi all! Thanks so much! Yes, Carrie is my sister and Bob is my father, but this family history was always a mystery until recently ... the 1896 Ellis Island information mentioned above is something that I haven't seen, though it's someplace to look, definitely!
Thank you for sharing the UPEC information - there is so much that I don't know!! Alex was in Sausalito in 1910 - they had my grandfather in 1909. I submitted a request for my grandfather, Edward's birth record from Marin County, and received a "File Not Found" response. I will try San Francisco, because I would really like to have that ... The church where he was baptized, Star of the Sea Church in Sausalito, told me to go in person and I can look at the books, but they don't have the resources to look up genealogy requests. :-/ Can't wait to meet all of you in SLC - I bought my plane ticket and have my room reserved! Sending the check for the registration on Monday. Thanks again! - Eric On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote: > > Marilyn, this sounds like they could all be relatives of Eric's. Hopefully > he may be able to connect with them if he doesn't know them. The > immigration info is there to check too. > Are we going to see you sometime the week we are in SLC?? > Hope to see you! > > Rosemarie > [email protected] <javascript:> > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much >> information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you. >> Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these >> posts are old, but worth a try. This is the link where these were located: >> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html >> >> *Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA >> Email: [email protected] <javascript:> >> Date submitted: before 1998 >> Village: Unknown >> Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel. >> Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My >> grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in >> Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888 >> died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna >> Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna >> married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was >> Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's >> mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great >> grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died >> 03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São >> Jorge and died in Portugal. >> >> There was a second post: >> >> *Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952 >> Email: [email protected] <javascript:> or [email protected] <javascript:> >> Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010 >> Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown) >> Surname: Souza >> Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two >> weeks. He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side. >> His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis >> Island in 1896. Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We >> believe he was born around 1880. Everything states that he came from *Sao >> Jorge, Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else. We know of no other >> relatives of his that emigrated. If we had a birth village we could locate >> records and perhaps relatives. >> >> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected] >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> Eric, the UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance >>> policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss >>> etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are >>> other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent >>> names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were >>> listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your >>> single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife >>> was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you >>> are lucky, the village! >>> >>> >>> Rosemarie >>> [email protected] <javascript:> >>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Eric Souza <[email protected] >>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is >>>> conjecture ... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what >>>> family >>>> he ended up with in the Bay Area ... >>>> >>>> I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are >>>> UPEC records? >>>> >>>> Thank you!! >>>> >>>> - Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place >>>>> between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you >>>>> are >>>>> going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he >>>>> was >>>>> coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still >>>>> never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's >>>>> because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that >>>>> place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I >>>>> will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History >>>>> Cntr >>>>> here and see what I can find for you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rosemarie >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Conterrâneos, >>>>>> >>>>>> I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and >>>>>> Cunha descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my >>>>>> great-grandfather >>>>>> came to Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A >>>>>> few >>>>>> months ago, this forum helped me identify the birth record for my >>>>>> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza >>>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html>, >>>>>> >>>>>> from Topo. I'm so grateful! >>>>>> >>>>>> My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in >>>>>> Topo, São Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents were >>>>>> Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Roza Delfina – he was the only son with the >>>>>> Souza >>>>>> surname – his four siblings were all named da Cunha, but his >>>>>> grandparents >>>>>> were de Sousa de Borba (which is likely why he was named Souza?). He had >>>>>> three sisters on São Jorge, and one brother - João da Cunha (born 1885 >>>>>> on >>>>>> São Jorge). >>>>>> >>>>>> He was also known on his probate (here is a link to download his >>>>>> probate >>>>>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57041182/Alex-Souza-Probate.pdf>) >>>>>> as “Alexander Souza Borba” and “Alexander S Borba”. >>>>>> >>>>>> Family legend says he was a whaler. Since there are no records that I >>>>>> have found for him immigrating legally (no voting records in Marin >>>>>> County, >>>>>> CA, or listings on the Atlantic ship manifests into New Bedford), I am >>>>>> guessing he came over illegally on a whaling boat in 1897 or early 1898 >>>>>> when he was 15, to avoid conscription to the Portuguese military – >>>>>> required >>>>>> at age 16. >>>>>> >>>>>> He might have come on a whaling ship to one of the east coast ports. >>>>>> If so, once he jumped ship in New England (I’m assuming New Bedford), he >>>>>> would have likely taken the train over to San Francisco. I have been in >>>>>> contact with the New Bedford Whaling Museum, and they said they only >>>>>> have >>>>>> records of the whalemen who shipped from the port of New Bedford. But if >>>>>> I >>>>>> can identify the name of a vessel, they I could contact Joan Barney, the >>>>>> librarian in the genealogy room at the New Bedford library. Apparently, >>>>>> they have some shipping records in their collection for a select number >>>>>> of >>>>>> vessels and some of them do list the names of those who joined >>>>>> mid-voyage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, that's all speculation on my part. There were no Atlantic >>>>>> whalers that went on pacific voyages after 1892, so he wouldn't have >>>>>> taken >>>>>> a boat directly to San Francisco. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no record that I have found of him between his birth and his >>>>>> marriage in 1907 to Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito. >>>>>> >>>>>> There were dairies in Sausalito and Mill Valley (specifically >>>>>> Tennessee Valley) that were owned by immigrants from São Jorge. A da >>>>>> Cunha >>>>>> family (I think it was Manoel Ferreira da Cunha, born Oct 1848, São >>>>>> Jorge) >>>>>> owned a large dairy there. Then there was another dairy shown on the >>>>>> 1880 >>>>>> Census by partners Antonio Souza (born about 1850), Antonio Borba >>>>>> (1853), >>>>>> August Silva (1846) and Manuel Souza (1859). I'm guessing that these >>>>>> were >>>>>> possibly cousins, but I haven't been able to identify the connection to >>>>>> any >>>>>> of them. >>>>>> >>>>>> There was also an Alexander Souza showing up in Point Reyes (western >>>>>> Marin County) on the 1900 census, but the ages don’t match up … also an >>>>>> Alexander Souza Borba in the East Bay ... my Alex's padrinho was >>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>> de Souza de Borba (born 1857) ... >>>>>> >>>>>> So that's a basic recap of where I am in my search for how Alexander >>>>>> Souza ended up in Sausalito! I've talked with the IDESST Portuguese Hall >>>>>> in >>>>>> Sausalito, and they don't have many old records showing members from >>>>>> before >>>>>> the 1950s, since there was a fire at one point and many records were >>>>>> lost, >>>>>> and the Hall was also moved ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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