LaRonda, the recent findings on *John (Joao) Linhares *are all from your
posted notes. I don't have anything on your family. This should help you
get started:
*Ancestors of John (Joao) Linhares*
*Generation No. 1*
*1.* *John (Joao) Linhares,* born 05 Mar 1888 in Sao Paulo de
Ribeira Quente; died 1976. He was the son of *2. Manuel Antonio Linhares*
and *3. Maria Jose*. He married *(1) Mildred Florence [Simas]*. She was
born Abt. 1898, and died 1979.
Notes for John (Joao) Linhares:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889_item1/P6.html
Ribeira Quente baptisms, No-9, page 4 verso, bottom left side page.
Joao, born- March 5- 1888, bap- March 18- 1888, filho de Manoel Antonio
Linhares Campaneo and Maria Jose, domestica, Padrinhos, Joao Xavier,
solteiro and Marianna Ursula, solteira
*This finding is based on information provided by LaRonda of the Azores
List. *
*Generation No. 2*
*2.* *Manuel Antonio Linhares,* born 21 Apr 1856 in Sao Paulo de
Ribeira Quente. He was the son of *4. Antonio Francisco Linhares* and *5.
Jacinta de Jesus Vieira*. He married *3. Maria Jose* 21 May 1885 in Sao
Paulo de Ribeira Quente.
*3.* *Maria Jose,* born 05 Sep 1856 in Sao Paulo de Ribeira
Quente. She was the daughter of *6. Joaquim Jose* and *7. Ursula de Jesus*.
Notes for Manuel Antonio Linhares:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P70.html
Ribeira Quente baptisms, page 69, bottom record,
Manoel, born- April 21 1856, bap- April 27- 1856, filho de Antonio
Francisco Linhares and Jacintha de Jesus, naturais freguesia de Sao Paulo
de Ribeira Quente; Padrinho, Jose and Francisca, filhos familias de Antonio
Vieira and Vitoria de Jesus
Signed, Cura Antonio Jacintho Borges
Test- Luis de Linhares and Francisco de Linhares
Notes for Maria Jose:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P76.html
Ribeira Quente baptisms, page 74 verso, bottom left side page
Maria, born- Sept 5- 1856, bap- Sept 25- 1856, filho de Joaquim Joze and
Ursula de Jesus, naturaes de Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente; padrinhos,
Antonio Jacintho and Maria Thereza, solteiros;
Signed, Cura, Antonio Jacintho Borges
Test- Joao Jacintho and Marianno Furtado
Marriage Notes for Manuel Linhares and Maria:
21-May-1885
Manuel Antonio Linhares, age 29, 'camponeo,' son of Antonio Francisco
Linhares & Jacinta de Jesus, m. to Maria Jose, age 28, daughter of Joaquim
Jose & Ursula de Jesus.
Test.: Jose Vieira Cardozo & Jose do Rego.
Off.: Father Jose Emiliano Borges.
Child of Manuel Linhares and Maria is:
1 i. John (Joao) Linhares, born 05 Mar 1888 in
Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente; died 1976; married Mildred Florence [Simas].
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 1:16:11 AM UTC-4, LaRonda Zupp wrote:
>
> Ha! I understand that too, Cheri.
>
> I'm having trouble reading the info in that link though. I see names.
> There is a Marianna Ursula! Maybe some connection to the Americanized Marie
> U. I have a death certificate for. Maybe she is a sibling rather than a
> parent of my Great-grandfather, Joao Linhares. These names are helpful, but
> I don't read Portuguese. Where could I get help translating that Joao
> Linhares baptism link you first shared?
>
> LaRonda
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 10:00 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> You can keep on looking through the 1888 baptisms looking for another
>> Joao born to another Manuel Antonio Linhares.
>>
>> That Marie U. Jacinto is a complete American thing. That's not her name.
>>
>> The link I gave you on the basic genealogy...I have a section in
>> there...Who said it, when did they say it, and how did they know?
>> Basically, who, what, when, where, how. My dad was the source of a lot of
>> my stuff. So that was my "who." But I needed more. My dad got to the point
>> where he'd say to me (after telling me the story or anecdote), "And before
>> you ask, I was probably 8, 9, 10 years old, and it was grandpa who said
>> that." Problem 1) My dad was relaying that story 65 years after it
>> happened. A child's memory. Problem 2) THAT grandfather. That grandfather
>> was always embellishing and doing "entertaining" things in his stories so I
>> learned pretty quickly that his stories needed to be taken with a grain of
>> salt.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:56 PM, LaRonda Zupp <[email protected]
>> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ack! I misspelled it again! I'm so sorry. It was Jacinto, NOT Janinto.
>>>
>>> I totally understand what you're saying about the spelling of the names.
>>> Jacinto/Jacintho or Marie/Maria or Jaquin/Joaquin. I wondered the same.
>>>
>>> I do have the death certificate with those first spellings tho, but I
>>> get what you're saying. I didn't realize the death certificate wasn't as
>>> helpful.
>>>
>>> Thank you for the links. The first baptism link you gave me for Joao
>>> Linheras does show different parent names. But we have family photos and a
>>> different name for the mother of our John (Joao) Linhares. His mother is
>>> listed as Marie U. Jacinto.
>>>
>>> So do I have the right baptism link for My John (Joao) Linheras?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your patience.
>>>
>>> LaRonda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 8:46 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]
>>> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> LaRonda,
>>>>
>>>> When you get into genealogy, you'll learn about primary and secondary
>>>> sources. I explain it a little bit in this link. https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>>>
>>>> Primary sources: Something generated AT THE TIME of the event.
>>>> Secondary sources: Something generated AFTER the event.
>>>>
>>>> A death certificate is a primary source for the death ONLY. Anything
>>>> you glean off of the death certificate is a secondary source. You need 2,
>>>> 3, or sometimes more, secondary sources to agree with each other to figure
>>>> out what you are trying to prove.
>>>>
>>>> This ancestor, Marie U. Janinto Linhares...Janinto is not a name. Maybe
>>>> it's Jacinta (old spelling - Jacintha). Dad is not Jaquin Jacinto either.
>>>> He'd be Joaquim Jacinto (or Jacintho for the old spelling). Unless you
>>>> are trying to assign a surname to your Maria. Don't do it. She didn't have
>>>> one. No mother's name is listed most likely because the American death
>>>> is asking for the mother's maiden name, which she didn't have. Women
>>>> didn't
>>>> use surnames in the Azores from about the mid-1800s onwards (they started
>>>> using them again around 1911).
>>>>
>>>> If Maria was born 5 Sep 1854, her baptism would be on image 55 or
>>>> shortly after. These are the 2nd time period baptisms, so you'd find her
>>>> parents' names on the top line. So she wasn't born 5 Sept 1854.
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P55.html
>>>>
>>>> You can't jump generations though. You need to go to your Joao and
>>>> extract his parents and his grandparents. You will find out his
>>>> grandfather
>>>> is NOT Joaquim Jacinto. So take your Joao's baptism and the link from the
>>>> previous email and try to extract the names. It doesn't matter if you get
>>>> them on the right side of the family or not. You just need to train your
>>>> eyes to find names. So let me know what you see and then I'll guide you
>>>> through the rest.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:18 PM, LaRonda Zupp <[email protected]
>>>> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Cheri.
>>>>>
>>>>> Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One
>>>>> thing *I know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to)
>>>>> is the information for my Great-great grandmother:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares* (b. Sept. 5, 1854 - d. Sept. 30, 1942).
>>>>> She was born in Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Azores. Her father is
>>>>> listed as *Jaquin Jacinto* on her death certificate. No mother's name
>>>>> listed. Her son is my Great-grandfather, *John (Joao) Linhares* (1888
>>>>> - 1976)*. Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares *immigrated from the Azores to
>>>>> America in 1903. She died in Dinuba, Tulare County, California, USA
>>>>> and is buried in Visalia, California.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You suggested I go find the baptism information for the immigrants.
>>>>> Can you link me to a place where I might find *Marie U. (Jacinto)
>>>>> Linhares* baptism information so I can see if I can find parents and
>>>>> spouse names?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Grateful.
>>>>>
>>>>> LaRonda
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]
>>>>> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> LaRonda,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have
>>>>>> lines that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that
>>>>>> freguesia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the
>>>>>> island. It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The
>>>>>> island
>>>>>> of San Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the
>>>>>> coast
>>>>>> of California. So one letter makes a huge difference!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio Francisco
>>>>>> Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. 1857) was the
>>>>>> daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the right
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889_item1/P6.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You are
>>>>>> in the 3rd time period with the baptisms. https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you get Joao's parents and grandparents, you will see where you
>>>>>> made a wrong turn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, get your genealogy in a computer program and have it run a
>>>>>> report. The numbering system that is used by the genealogy program and
>>>>>> genealogists is what we are trained to use. It'll make it easier on
>>>>>> everyone :)
>>>>>> Good luck, Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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