You can keep on looking through the 1888 baptisms looking for another Joao born to another Manuel Antonio Linhares.
That Marie U. Jacinto is a complete American thing. That's not her name. The link I gave you on the basic genealogy...I have a section in there...Who said it, when did they say it, and how did they know? Basically, who, what, when, where, how. My dad was the source of a lot of my stuff. So that was my "who." But I needed more. My dad got to the point where he'd say to me (after telling me the story or anecdote), "And before you ask, I was probably 8, 9, 10 years old, and it was grandpa who said that." Problem 1) My dad was relaying that story 65 years after it happened. A child's memory. Problem 2) THAT grandfather. That grandfather was always embellishing and doing "entertaining" things in his stories so I learned pretty quickly that his stories needed to be taken with a grain of salt. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:56 PM, LaRonda Zupp <[email protected]> wrote: > Ack! I misspelled it again! I'm so sorry. It was Jacinto, NOT Janinto. > > I totally understand what you're saying about the spelling of the names. > Jacinto/Jacintho or Marie/Maria or Jaquin/Joaquin. I wondered the same. > > I do have the death certificate with those first spellings tho, but I get > what you're saying. I didn't realize the death certificate wasn't as > helpful. > > Thank you for the links. The first baptism link you gave me for Joao > Linheras does show different parent names. But we have family photos and a > different name for the mother of our John (Joao) Linhares. His mother is > listed as Marie U. Jacinto. > > So do I have the right baptism link for My John (Joao) Linheras? > > Thank you for your patience. > > LaRonda > > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 8:46 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > >> LaRonda, >> >> When you get into genealogy, you'll learn about primary and secondary >> sources. I explain it a little bit in this link. https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar >> >> Primary sources: Something generated AT THE TIME of the event. >> Secondary sources: Something generated AFTER the event. >> >> A death certificate is a primary source for the death ONLY. Anything you >> glean off of the death certificate is a secondary source. You need 2, 3, or >> sometimes more, secondary sources to agree with each other to figure out >> what you are trying to prove. >> >> This ancestor, Marie U. Janinto Linhares...Janinto is not a name. Maybe >> it's Jacinta (old spelling - Jacintha). Dad is not Jaquin Jacinto either. >> He'd be Joaquim Jacinto (or Jacintho for the old spelling). Unless you >> are trying to assign a surname to your Maria. Don't do it. She didn't have >> one. No mother's name is listed most likely because the American death >> is asking for the mother's maiden name, which she didn't have. Women didn't >> use surnames in the Azores from about the mid-1800s onwards (they started >> using them again around 1911). >> >> If Maria was born 5 Sep 1854, her baptism would be on image 55 or shortly >> after. These are the 2nd time period baptisms, so you'd find her parents' >> names on the top line. So she wasn't born 5 Sept 1854. >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- >> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849- >> 1859_item1/P55.html >> >> You can't jump generations though. You need to go to your Joao and >> extract his parents and his grandparents. You will find out his grandfather >> is NOT Joaquim Jacinto. So take your Joao's baptism and the link from the >> previous email and try to extract the names. It doesn't matter if you get >> them on the right side of the family or not. You just need to train your >> eyes to find names. So let me know what you see and then I'll guide you >> through the rest. >> >> Cheri >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:18 PM, LaRonda Zupp <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Cheri. >>> >>> Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One >>> thing *I know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to) is >>> the information for my Great-great grandmother: >>> >>> *Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares* (b. Sept. 5, 1854 - d. Sept. 30, 1942). >>> She was born in Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Azores. Her father is >>> listed as *Jaquin Jacinto* on her death certificate. No mother's name >>> listed. Her son is my Great-grandfather, *John (Joao) Linhares* (1888 - >>> 1976)*. Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares *immigrated from the Azores to >>> America in 1903. She died in Dinuba, Tulare County, California, USA and >>> is buried in Visalia, California. >>> >>> >>> You suggested I go find the baptism information for the immigrants. Can >>> you link me to a place where I might find *Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares* >>> baptism >>> information so I can see if I can find parents and spouse names? >>> >>> >>> Grateful. >>> >>> LaRonda >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> LaRonda, >>>> >>>> We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have >>>> lines that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that >>>> freguesia. >>>> >>>> In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the >>>> island. It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The island >>>> of San Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the coast >>>> of California. So one letter makes a huge difference! >>>> >>>> Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio Francisco >>>> Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. 1857) was the >>>> daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the right >>>> people. >>>> >>>> Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here: >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- >>>> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888- >>>> 1889_item1/P6.html >>>> >>>> Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You are >>>> in the 3rd time period with the baptisms. https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i >>>> >>>> Once you get Joao's parents and grandparents, you will see where you >>>> made a wrong turn. >>>> >>>> Also, get your genealogy in a computer program and have it run a >>>> report. The numbering system that is used by the genealogy program and >>>> genealogists is what we are trained to use. 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