Ack! I misspelled it again! I'm so sorry. It was Jacinto, NOT Janinto. I totally understand what you're saying about the spelling of the names. Jacinto/Jacintho or Marie/Maria or Jaquin/Joaquin. I wondered the same.
I do have the death certificate with those first spellings tho, but I get what you're saying. I didn't realize the death certificate wasn't as helpful. Thank you for the links. The first baptism link you gave me for Joao Linheras does show different parent names. But we have family photos and a different name for the mother of our John (Joao) Linhares. His mother is listed as Marie U. Jacinto. So do I have the right baptism link for My John (Joao) Linheras? Thank you for your patience. LaRonda On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 8:46 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > LaRonda, > > When you get into genealogy, you'll learn about primary and secondary > sources. I explain it a little bit in this link. https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar > > Primary sources: Something generated AT THE TIME of the event. > Secondary sources: Something generated AFTER the event. > > A death certificate is a primary source for the death ONLY. Anything you > glean off of the death certificate is a secondary source. You need 2, 3, or > sometimes more, secondary sources to agree with each other to figure out > what you are trying to prove. > > This ancestor, Marie U. Janinto Linhares...Janinto is not a name. Maybe > it's Jacinta (old spelling - Jacintha). Dad is not Jaquin Jacinto either. > He'd be Joaquim Jacinto (or Jacintho for the old spelling). Unless you > are trying to assign a surname to your Maria. Don't do it. She didn't have > one. No mother's name is listed most likely because the American death is > asking for the mother's maiden name, which she didn't have. Women didn't > use surnames in the Azores from about the mid-1800s onwards (they started > using them again around 1911). > > If Maria was born 5 Sep 1854, her baptism would be on image 55 or shortly > after. These are the 2nd time period baptisms, so you'd find her parents' > names on the top line. So she wasn't born 5 Sept 1854. > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P55.html > > You can't jump generations though. You need to go to your Joao and extract > his parents and his grandparents. You will find out his grandfather is NOT > Joaquim Jacinto. So take your Joao's baptism and the link from the previous > email and try to extract the names. It doesn't matter if you get them on > the right side of the family or not. You just need to train your eyes to > find names. So let me know what you see and then I'll guide you through the > rest. > > Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:18 PM, LaRonda Zupp <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Cheri. >> >> Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One >> thing *I know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to) is >> the information for my Great-great grandmother: >> >> *Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares* (b. Sept. 5, 1854 - d. Sept. 30, 1942). >> She was born in Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Azores. Her father is listed >> as *Jaquin Jacinto* on her death certificate. No mother's name listed. >> Her son is my Great-grandfather, *John (Joao) Linhares* (1888 - 1976)*. >> Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares *immigrated from the Azores to America in >> 1903. She died in Dinuba, Tulare County, California, USA and is buried >> in Visalia, California. >> >> >> You suggested I go find the baptism information for the immigrants. Can >> you link me to a place where I might find *Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares* >> baptism >> information so I can see if I can find parents and spouse names? >> >> >> Grateful. >> >> LaRonda >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> LaRonda, >>> >>> We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have >>> lines that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that >>> freguesia. >>> >>> In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the >>> island. It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The island >>> of San Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the coast >>> of California. So one letter makes a huge difference! >>> >>> Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio Francisco >>> Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. 1857) was the >>> daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the right >>> people. >>> >>> Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here: >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889_item1/P6.html >>> >>> Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You are in >>> the 3rd time period with the baptisms. https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i >>> >>> Once you get Joao's parents and grandparents, you will see where you >>> made a wrong turn. >>> >>> Also, get your genealogy in a computer program and have it run a report. >>> The numbering system that is used by the genealogy program and genealogists >>> is what we are trained to use. It'll make it easier on everyone :) >>> Good luck, Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *LaRonda Zupp, M.S.Master Retreat & Life CoachFounder of Turtle Heart >> Coaching and Retreats* >> >> *www.turtleheartcoachingandretreats.com >> <http://www.turtleheartcoachingandretreats.com/>[email protected] >> <[email protected]> * >> >> *Subscribe to my FREE Turtle Heart Newsletter and stay up to date on >> upcoming retreats, workshops, coaching opportunities, self-care tips and >> inspirational stories. >> <http://turtleheartretreats.us4.list-manage1.com/subscribe?u=d57487ad1c045f720afc29be8&id=59f85af74a>**Click >> Here >> <http://turtleheartretreats.us4.list-manage1.com/subscribe?u=d57487ad1c045f720afc29be8&id=59f85af74a>.* >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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