JR, Thank you so much! This is exactly what I needed.
Warmly, LaRonda On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:17 AM JR <[email protected]> wrote: > LaRonda, the recent findings on *John (Joao) Linhares *are all from your > posted notes. I don't have anything on your family. This should help you > get started: > > > > *Ancestors of John (Joao) Linhares* > > > > > > *Generation No. 1* > > > > *1.* *John (Joao) Linhares,* born 05 Mar 1888 in Sao Paulo de > Ribeira Quente; died 1976. He was the son of *2. Manuel Antonio Linhares* > and *3. Maria Jose*. He married *(1) Mildred Florence [Simas]*. She was > born Abt. 1898, and died 1979. > > > > Notes for John (Joao) Linhares: > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889_item1/P6.html > > > > Ribeira Quente baptisms, No-9, page 4 verso, bottom left side page. > > Joao, born- March 5- 1888, bap- March 18- 1888, filho de Manoel Antonio > Linhares Campaneo and Maria Jose, domestica, Padrinhos, Joao Xavier, > solteiro and Marianna Ursula, solteira > > > *This finding is based on information provided by LaRonda of the Azores > List. * > > > > *Generation No. 2* > > > > *2.* *Manuel Antonio Linhares,* born 21 Apr 1856 in Sao Paulo de > Ribeira Quente. He was the son of *4. Antonio Francisco Linhares* and *5. > Jacinta de Jesus Vieira*. He married *3. Maria Jose* 21 May 1885 in Sao > Paulo de Ribeira Quente. > > *3.* *Maria Jose,* born 05 Sep 1856 in Sao Paulo de Ribeira > Quente. She was the daughter of *6. Joaquim Jose* and *7. Ursula de > Jesus*. > > > > Notes for Manuel Antonio Linhares: > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P70.html > > > > Ribeira Quente baptisms, page 69, bottom record, > > Manoel, born- April 21 1856, bap- April 27- 1856, filho de Antonio > Francisco Linhares and Jacintha de Jesus, naturais freguesia de Sao Paulo > de Ribeira Quente; Padrinho, Jose and Francisca, filhos familias de Antonio > Vieira and Vitoria de Jesus > > > > Signed, Cura Antonio Jacintho Borges > > Test- Luis de Linhares and Francisco de Linhares > > > > Notes for Maria Jose: > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P76.html > > > > Ribeira Quente baptisms, page 74 verso, bottom left side page > > Maria, born- Sept 5- 1856, bap- Sept 25- 1856, filho de Joaquim Joze and > Ursula de Jesus, naturaes de Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente; padrinhos, > Antonio Jacintho and Maria Thereza, solteiros; > > Signed, Cura, Antonio Jacintho Borges > > Test- Joao Jacintho and Marianno Furtado > > > > Marriage Notes for Manuel Linhares and Maria: > > 21-May-1885 > > Manuel Antonio Linhares, age 29, 'camponeo,' son of Antonio Francisco > Linhares & Jacinta de Jesus, m. to Maria Jose, age 28, daughter of Joaquim > Jose & Ursula de Jesus. > > Test.: Jose Vieira Cardozo & Jose do Rego. > > Off.: Father Jose Emiliano Borges. > > > > Child of Manuel Linhares and Maria is: > > 1 i. John (Joao) Linhares, born 05 Mar 1888 in > Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente; died 1976; married Mildred Florence [Simas]. > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 1:16:11 AM UTC-4, LaRonda Zupp wrote: > >> Ha! I understand that too, Cheri. >> >> I'm having trouble reading the info in that link though. I see names. >> There is a Marianna Ursula! Maybe some connection to the Americanized Marie >> U. I have a death certificate for. Maybe she is a sibling rather than a >> parent of my Great-grandfather, Joao Linhares. These names are helpful, but >> I don't read Portuguese. Where could I get help translating that Joao >> Linhares baptism link you first shared? >> >> LaRonda >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 10:00 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> > You can keep on looking through the 1888 baptisms looking for another Joao >>> born to another Manuel Antonio Linhares. >>> >>> That Marie U. Jacinto is a complete American thing. That's not her name. >>> >>> The link I gave you on the basic genealogy...I have a section in >>> there...Who said it, when did they say it, and how did they know? >>> Basically, who, what, when, where, how. My dad was the source of a lot of >>> my stuff. So that was my "who." But I needed more. My dad got to the point >>> where he'd say to me (after telling me the story or anecdote), "And before >>> you ask, I was probably 8, 9, 10 years old, and it was grandpa who said >>> that." Problem 1) My dad was relaying that story 65 years after it >>> happened. A child's memory. Problem 2) THAT grandfather. That grandfather >>> was always embellishing and doing "entertaining" things in his stories so I >>> learned pretty quickly that his stories needed to be taken with a grain of >>> salt. >>> >> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:56 PM, LaRonda Zupp <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> Ack! I misspelled it again! I'm so sorry. It was Jacinto, NOT Janinto. >>>> >>>> I totally understand what you're saying about the spelling of the >>>> names. Jacinto/Jacintho or Marie/Maria or Jaquin/Joaquin. I wondered the >>>> same. >>>> >>>> I do have the death certificate with those first spellings tho, but I >>>> get what you're saying. I didn't realize the death certificate wasn't as >>>> helpful. >>>> >>>> Thank you for the links. The first baptism link you gave me for Joao >>>> Linheras does show different parent names. But we have family photos and a >>>> different name for the mother of our John (Joao) Linhares. His mother is >>>> listed as Marie U. Jacinto. >>>> >>>> So do I have the right baptism link for My John (Joao) Linheras? >>>> >>>> Thank you for your patience. >>>> >>>> LaRonda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 8:46 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> LaRonda, >>>>> >>>>> When you get into genealogy, you'll learn about primary and secondary >>>>> sources. I explain it a little bit in this link. https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar >>>>> >>>>> Primary sources: Something generated AT THE TIME of the event. >>>>> Secondary sources: Something generated AFTER the event. >>>>> >>>>> A death certificate is a primary source for the death ONLY. Anything >>>>> you glean off of the death certificate is a secondary source. You need 2, >>>>> 3, or sometimes more, secondary sources to agree with each other to figure >>>>> out what you are trying to prove. >>>>> >>>>> This ancestor, Marie U. Janinto Linhares...Janinto is not a name. >>>>> Maybe it's Jacinta (old spelling - Jacintha). Dad is not Jaquin Jacinto >>>>> either. He'd be Joaquim Jacinto (or Jacintho for the old spelling). >>>>> Unless you are trying to assign a surname to your Maria. Don't do it. She >>>>> didn't have one. No mother's name is listed most likely because the >>>>> American death is asking for the mother's maiden name, which she didn't >>>>> have. Women didn't use surnames in the Azores from about the mid-1800s >>>>> onwards (they started using them again around 1911). >>>>> >>>>> If Maria was born 5 Sep 1854, her baptism would be on image 55 or >>>>> shortly after. These are the 2nd time period baptisms, so you'd find her >>>>> parents' names on the top line. So she wasn't born 5 Sept 1854. >>>>> >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P55.html >>>>> >>>>> You can't jump generations though. You need to go to your Joao and >>>>> extract his parents and his grandparents. You will find out his >>>>> grandfather >>>>> is NOT Joaquim Jacinto. So take your Joao's baptism and the link from the >>>>> previous email and try to extract the names. It doesn't matter if you get >>>>> them on the right side of the family or not. You just need to train your >>>>> eyes to find names. So let me know what you see and then I'll guide you >>>>> through the rest. >>>>> >>>>> Cheri >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:18 PM, LaRonda Zupp <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> Hi Cheri. >>>>>> >>>>>> Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One >>>>>> thing *I know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to) >>>>>> is the information for my Great-great grandmother: >>>>>> >>>>>> *Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares* (b. Sept. 5, 1854 - d. Sept. 30, >>>>>> 1942). She was born in Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Azores. Her >>>>>> father is listed as *Jaquin Jacinto* on her death certificate. No >>>>>> mother's name listed. Her son is my Great-grandfather, *John (Joao) >>>>>> Linhares* (1888 - 1976)*. Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares *immigrated >>>>>> from the Azores to America in 1903. She died in Dinuba, Tulare >>>>>> County, California, USA and is buried in Visalia, California. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You suggested I go find the baptism information for the immigrants. >>>>>> Can you link me to a place where I might find *Marie U. (Jacinto) >>>>>> Linhares* baptism information so I can see if I can find parents and >>>>>> spouse names? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Grateful. >>>>>> >>>>>> LaRonda >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> LaRonda, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have >>>>>>> lines that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that >>>>>>> freguesia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the >>>>>>> island. It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The >>>>>>> island >>>>>>> of San Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the >>>>>>> coast >>>>>>> of California. So one letter makes a huge difference! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio >>>>>>> Francisco Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. >>>>>>> 1857) >>>>>>> was the daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the >>>>>>> right people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889_item1/P6.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You >>>>>>> are in the 3rd time period with the baptisms. https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once you get Joao's parents and grandparents, you will see where you >>>>>>> made a wrong turn. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, get your genealogy in a computer program and have it run a >>>>>>> report. The numbering system that is used by the genealogy program and >>>>>>> genealogists is what we are trained to use. 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