Ha! I understand that too, Cheri. I'm having trouble reading the info in that link though. I see names. There is a Marianna Ursula! Maybe some connection to the Americanized Marie U. I have a death certificate for. Maybe she is a sibling rather than a parent of my Great-grandfather, Joao Linhares. These names are helpful, but I don't read Portuguese. Where could I get help translating that Joao Linhares baptism link you first shared?
LaRonda On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 10:00 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > You can keep on looking through the 1888 baptisms looking for another Joao > born to another Manuel Antonio Linhares. > > That Marie U. Jacinto is a complete American thing. That's not her name. > > The link I gave you on the basic genealogy...I have a section in > there...Who said it, when did they say it, and how did they know? > Basically, who, what, when, where, how. My dad was the source of a lot of > my stuff. So that was my "who." But I needed more. My dad got to the point > where he'd say to me (after telling me the story or anecdote), "And before > you ask, I was probably 8, 9, 10 years old, and it was grandpa who said > that." Problem 1) My dad was relaying that story 65 years after it > happened. A child's memory. Problem 2) THAT grandfather. That grandfather > was always embellishing and doing "entertaining" things in his stories so I > learned pretty quickly that his stories needed to be taken with a grain of > salt. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:56 PM, LaRonda Zupp <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Ack! I misspelled it again! I'm so sorry. It was Jacinto, NOT Janinto. >> >> I totally understand what you're saying about the spelling of the names. >> Jacinto/Jacintho or Marie/Maria or Jaquin/Joaquin. I wondered the same. >> >> I do have the death certificate with those first spellings tho, but I get >> what you're saying. I didn't realize the death certificate wasn't as >> helpful. >> >> Thank you for the links. The first baptism link you gave me for Joao >> Linheras does show different parent names. But we have family photos and a >> different name for the mother of our John (Joao) Linhares. His mother is >> listed as Marie U. Jacinto. >> >> So do I have the right baptism link for My John (Joao) Linheras? >> >> Thank you for your patience. >> >> LaRonda >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 8:46 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> LaRonda, >>> >>> When you get into genealogy, you'll learn about primary and secondary >>> sources. I explain it a little bit in this link. https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar >>> >>> Primary sources: Something generated AT THE TIME of the event. >>> Secondary sources: Something generated AFTER the event. >>> >>> A death certificate is a primary source for the death ONLY. Anything you >>> glean off of the death certificate is a secondary source. You need 2, 3, or >>> sometimes more, secondary sources to agree with each other to figure out >>> what you are trying to prove. >>> >>> This ancestor, Marie U. Janinto Linhares...Janinto is not a name. Maybe >>> it's Jacinta (old spelling - Jacintha). Dad is not Jaquin Jacinto either. >>> He'd be Joaquim Jacinto (or Jacintho for the old spelling). Unless you >>> are trying to assign a surname to your Maria. Don't do it. She didn't have >>> one. No mother's name is listed most likely because the American death >>> is asking for the mother's maiden name, which she didn't have. Women didn't >>> use surnames in the Azores from about the mid-1800s onwards (they started >>> using them again around 1911). >>> >>> If Maria was born 5 Sep 1854, her baptism would be on image 55 or >>> shortly after. These are the 2nd time period baptisms, so you'd find her >>> parents' names on the top line. So she wasn't born 5 Sept 1854. >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P55.html >>> >>> You can't jump generations though. You need to go to your Joao and >>> extract his parents and his grandparents. You will find out his grandfather >>> is NOT Joaquim Jacinto. So take your Joao's baptism and the link from the >>> previous email and try to extract the names. It doesn't matter if you get >>> them on the right side of the family or not. You just need to train your >>> eyes to find names. So let me know what you see and then I'll guide you >>> through the rest. >>> >>> Cheri >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:18 PM, LaRonda Zupp <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Cheri. >>>> >>>> Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One >>>> thing *I know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to) >>>> is the information for my Great-great grandmother: >>>> >>>> *Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares* (b. Sept. 5, 1854 - d. Sept. 30, 1942). >>>> She was born in Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Azores. Her father is >>>> listed as *Jaquin Jacinto* on her death certificate. No mother's name >>>> listed. Her son is my Great-grandfather, *John (Joao) Linhares* (1888 >>>> - 1976)*. Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares *immigrated from the Azores to >>>> America in 1903. She died in Dinuba, Tulare County, California, USA >>>> and is buried in Visalia, California. >>>> >>>> >>>> You suggested I go find the baptism information for the immigrants. Can >>>> you link me to a place where I might find *Marie U. (Jacinto) >>>> Linhares* baptism information so I can see if I can find parents and >>>> spouse names? >>>> >>>> >>>> Grateful. >>>> >>>> LaRonda >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> LaRonda, >>>>> >>>>> We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have >>>>> lines that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that >>>>> freguesia. >>>>> >>>>> In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the >>>>> island. It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The >>>>> island >>>>> of San Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the coast >>>>> of California. So one letter makes a huge difference! >>>>> >>>>> Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio Francisco >>>>> Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. 1857) was the >>>>> daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the right >>>>> people. >>>>> >>>>> Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here: >>>>> >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889_item1/P6.html >>>>> >>>>> Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You are >>>>> in the 3rd time period with the baptisms. https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i >>>>> >>>>> Once you get Joao's parents and grandparents, you will see where you >>>>> made a wrong turn. >>>>> >>>>> Also, get your genealogy in a computer program and have it run a >>>>> report. The numbering system that is used by the genealogy program and >>>>> genealogists is what we are trained to use. It'll make it easier on >>>>> everyone :) >>>>> Good luck, Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> *LaRonda Zupp, M.S.Master Retreat & Life CoachFounder of Turtle >>>> Heart Coaching and Retreats* >>>> >>>> *www.turtleheartcoachingandretreats.com >>>> <http://www.turtleheartcoachingandretreats.com/>[email protected] >>>> <[email protected]> * >>>> >>>> *Subscribe to my FREE Turtle Heart Newsletter and stay up to date on >>>> upcoming retreats, workshops, coaching opportunities, self-care tips and >>>> inspirational stories. >>>> <http://turtleheartretreats.us4.list-manage1.com/subscribe?u=d57487ad1c045f720afc29be8&id=59f85af74a>**Click >>>> Here >>>> <http://turtleheartretreats.us4.list-manage1.com/subscribe?u=d57487ad1c045f720afc29be8&id=59f85af74a>.* >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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