Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I think
it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of
a Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after describing the
witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
 For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in
California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno
County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married
Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried
with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer

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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Sandra,
>
> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM
> and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I
> went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed
> as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it
> was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely
> assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of
> the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained
> incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. 🙃
>
> Gayle
>
> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on
> the first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow.
> On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five
> records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or
> she is considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra
> Valine Dauer
> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
>
> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
>
> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
>
> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
>
> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
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