Thank you for your help. I checked her daughter, Maria Rosario, four children baptism records from Lajes do Pico: Manuel 24 Nov 1901 list maternal grandparents Jose Silveira e Genoveva Ignancia; Maria 29 Jan 1904 and Joao 08 Jun 1908 and Francisca 16 Dec 1906 only list maternal as Genoveva Ignancia. Sandra Valine Dauer
<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:27 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Sandra, > > Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the > witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de > Macedo, farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% > certainty. > > Gayle > > PS: Margaret is the true expert. > > On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter > of Genoveva > bottom right top left > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html > > Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > <#m_2378786488423752634_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Gayle thanks for the idea. Here is Maria Rosario marriage record. I >> think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no >> mention of a Father. Is this correct? Need help with the lines after >> describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt. >> For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record >> in California. She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno >> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922. Next she married >> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers. Francisca died 1947 and is buried >> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia. >> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >> <#m_2378786488423752634_m_5849774652502384348_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < >> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> Sandra, >>> >>> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with >>> CITCEM and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” >>> so I went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were >>> listed as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering >>> whether it was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. >>> If merely assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the >>> marriages of the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly >>> known or remained incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun >>> figuring this out. 🙃 >>> >>> Gayle >>> >>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father >>> on the first two children. On the last three children she is listed a >>> widow. On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira. Is the correct on the >>> five records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and >>> or she is considered a widow? The links are listed below. Thank you >>> Sandra Valine Dauer >>> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18 >>> >>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html >>> >>> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81 >>> >>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html >>> >>> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 >>> >>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html >>> >>> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87 >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html >>> >>> 5. 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