Hello Sandra, In order to visualize what happened I had to do a time line so I could see what and when. First two children: legitimate of Manuel Silveira de Brum and Genoveva Inacia
08-02-1869 Manuel f.o legitimo Mel Silveira de Brum e Genoveva Inacia 05-11-1871 Maria fa legitima Mel Silveira de Brum, Agricultor e Genoveva Inacia In between 1871 and 1874 – Manuel Silveira passed away – Genoveva continued to have children, “naturally” and of “unknown” father: 26-09-1874 Joao fo natural de Genovea inacia, viuva de 08-11-1877 Maria fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de 10-06-1880 Francisca fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de Marriage of Maria do Rosario, says “Illegitimate” daughter of Genoveva, viuva. With this “qualification” the illegitimate indicates the unknown father was a married man, that’s where the “illegitimate” versus natural, were the father single, or widower. Hope this helps. Margaret From: Sandra Valine Dauer Sent: August 3, 2019 1:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico) Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of Genoveva bottom right top left http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer <[email protected]> wrote: Gayle thanks for the idea. Here is Maria Rosario marriage record. I think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a Father. Is this correct? Need help with the lines after describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt. For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in California. She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922. Next she married Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers. Francisca died 1947 and is buried with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia. Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: Sandra, This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. 🙃 Gayle On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer <[email protected]> wrote: Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the first two children. On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira. Is the correct on the five records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is considered a widow? The links are listed below. Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html 4. 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