Sandra, Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de Macedo, farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% certainty.
Gayle PS: Margaret is the true expert. > On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of > Genoveva > bottom right top left > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html > > Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > >> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Gayle thanks for the idea. Here is Maria Rosario marriage record. I think >> it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a >> Father. Is this correct? Need help with the lines after describing the >> witness Jose Maria Bettencourt. >> For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in >> California. She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno >> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922. Next she married >> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers. Francisca died 1947 and is buried >> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia. >> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Sandra, >>> >>> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM >>> and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I >>> went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed >>> as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it >>> was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely >>> assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of >>> the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained >>> incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. 🙃 >>> >>> Gayle >>> >>>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on >>>> the first two children. On the last three children she is listed a widow. >>>> On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira. Is the correct on the five >>>> records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or >>>> she is considered a widow? The links are listed below. Thank you Sandra >>>> Valine Dauer >>>> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18 >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html >>>> >>>> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81 >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html >>>> >>>> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html >>>> >>>> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87 >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html >>>> >>>> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47 >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CABrGor__Vd%3D3DAXkNrga2uu4-PjD0ZBfoUwAF8ku1_PJeJo-3Q%40mail.gmail.com. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/D5E60845-3AB3-4FA9-890E-80D3B9D01187%40aol.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CABrGor8ciZOCtng%2BBz0OExO5RPwC1vWP_J071ubWe_%3D_YNnvcQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/F6DDB4BF-A9B3-4785-8C3D-937122D926F0%40aol.com.
