My final source for Genoveva Inacia is O PICO by Maria Norberta Amorim. On page 423-24 Fogo 332 Almagreira de Baixo list Genoveva Ignanica as a Widow, age 63 children Maria age 11, Joao age 8 Maria R age 5 and Francisca age 2. I believe these listings are from a census type report taken around 1882. "O casamento entre Manuel Silveira de Brum e Genoveva Inacia realizara-se 19 de Fevereiro de 1859, aos 34 e 22 anos, respectivamente. Baptizaram dos filhos. Em 25 de Setembro de 1874, Genoveva Inacia baptizava o primeiro de tres filhos naturais, no estado de viuva." Sandra Valine Dauer
<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:12 PM Sandra Valine Dauer <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for your help. I checked her daughter, Maria Rosario, four > children baptism records from Lajes do Pico: Manuel 24 Nov 1901 list > maternal grandparents Jose Silveira e Genoveva Ignancia; Maria 29 Jan 1904 > and Joao 08 Jun 1908 and Francisca 16 Dec 1906 only list maternal as > Genoveva Ignancia. Sandra Valine Dauer > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > <#m_-5332359263614135710_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:27 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sandra, >> >> Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the >> witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de >> Macedo, farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% >> certainty. >> >> Gayle >> >> PS: Margaret is the true expert. >> >> On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter >> of Genoveva >> bottom right top left >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html >> >> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >> <#m_-5332359263614135710_m_2378786488423752634_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Gayle thanks for the idea. Here is Maria Rosario marriage record. I >>> think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no >>> mention of a Father. Is this correct? Need help with the lines after >>> describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt. >>> For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record >>> in California. She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno >>> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922. Next she married >>> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers. Francisca died 1947 and is buried >>> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia. >>> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer >>> >>> >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>> <#m_-5332359263614135710_m_2378786488423752634_m_5849774652502384348_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sandra, >>>> >>>> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with >>>> CITCEM and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” >>>> so I went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were >>>> listed as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering >>>> whether it was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. >>>> If merely assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the >>>> marriages of the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly >>>> known or remained incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun >>>> figuring this out. 🙃 >>>> >>>> Gayle >>>> >>>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father >>>> on the first two children. On the last three children she is listed a >>>> widow. On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira. Is the correct on the >>>> five records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and >>>> or she is considered a widow? The links are listed below. Thank you >>>> Sandra Valine Dauer >>>> 1. 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