Hi James,
I am looking forward to all these changes, I hope it will be great.
One quick question, regarding the iPlayer Radio.... is it possible on
an update to make the volume control actually go down to zero? I can
then watch the Magic Roundabout on Youtube instead of listening to
the news... :-)
Mine's a pint of Dog-bolter or Abbott.
RichE
On 16 Jun 2008, at 18:48, James Cridland wrote:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
2008/6/13 James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> As the man in charge of the Coyopa project, which'll be fiddling
with a lot
> of our streams,
You mean this: <http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/03/
coyopa_takes_shape.shtml>
?
Yep. It's in BH now. I saw it last week, warming up one of the
apparatus rooms. And it's even working. Hopefully we'll switch
stuff on within the next month. Some niggles to sort out still though.
> 2. Flash streaming "just works" for most people, and as the TV
iPlayer has
> shown, a tremendously popular way of consuming content.
Not on mobiles. How about an Ogg stream with Cortado[1] for mobiles
(or other people who dislike Flash).
Agreed. We have plans on mobile also, though any solution must
"just work". Yes, we're providing a ton of extra streams in
different formats for wifi radios and the like to use; no, Ogg
Vorbis is not one of them. I refer the gentleman to the answers I
gave here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/03/
streaming_radio_online_your_co_1.shtml
Not sure whether our streaming will work on Gnash or not,
incidentally. I'd think, for a while at least, it will.
> 3. HTTP downloads are not possible
I think the idea was to stream over HTTP. (or something that is
similar enough to streaming that no one notices).
RTMP or RTSP is streaming. Nobody (using Flash) will notice it's
any different to any other experience they have. Again, it must
"just work". HTTP streaming is less good for Content Restriction
And Protection. (Again, sorry we have to put cr&p in our streams in
this way, but we do.) (Yes, the abbreviation is intentional).
> I'm sorry we have to use it. But we have to use it.
Is there no a more open streaming protocol one could use?
Again, back to the Content Restriction And Protection issue; but
also coupled with the knowledge that a typical user wants something
that "just works".
> 5. A "pop-up player" will continue to be available in iPlayer
when radio
> "moves in".
Unfortunately there is not much the BBC can really do about "stay on
top" however. If the OS/Browser don't provide it then you're out of
luck. Some OSes let any window "stay on top".
Yep, agreed. We can't provide "stay on top" with anything internet,
without a software product, which people don't, generally,
download. (Sweeping generalisation, but my experience).
If only browsers supported <video>[2] and <audio> tags, and if there
was actually some base codecs defined that would work on any browser.
(chicken/egg?)
Yessss... to a point. There are some base codecs defined that work
on any browser with Flash installed (ie virtually all of them); and
that's the way that the world is going.
> Beer, anyone?
Are you buying? ;)
Nope. You? Mine's the guest ale.
//j
