Well half of that is old now. I do have an ftp client but I don't need to access it.
Like the old news groups of yesteryear most of this stuff may still exist but just like bbs systems they are rarely if ever used.
Most things are via the web and web interface which is whateveryone uses.As for listserves with google groups, facebook groups, groups.io and other cloud interface nets list serves at least the traditional ones aren't that advantageous.
You'd have to exist in the early 90s to get online.As I started in 1996 I did do ndws groups, ftps and list serves and yes muds and some bbss units but.
But most of that doesn't apply now.Even now unless you have a website the closest I get to ftp is ftp over https in fact all the modern brousers don't allow non https or ftp or aanything not secure so yeah.
I used to fileshare and hack with huge massive ftp servers mostly at home downloading loads of created and legal/alegal content.
But with all the new rules, traffic use, etc pluss the rust string incident and victom incidents on the blindness community, not to mention blind extra most of that is gone.
Even the traditional servers that run don't exist and for those that do not for standard users.
99.9% of my work is via https, web, non https, cloud server or something like that on windows.
I don't have have no plans to but I guess if you really move down you can access even darknet.
But then I really don't go beyond my small group of serfice internet at all. And I don't much mind.There was a time before covid when I was in my 20s, and yunger, a fighter of the system, I even was a small time music and software pirate but that was before.
There is almost no need especially with subscription services, artest created tracks opensource and a host of other things to engage in the battles of my youth.
Now its not all dead if you want to fight but the net caught up with the fight and I don't care for that sort of battle anymore.
It was fun and I enjoyed it but I have no need now and am pritty much retired.
I was never a serious player anyway.Anyway there are people that still do this on secure systems in fact if you look at some of their faqs on the fight you really need to have different systems and things to fight now its not a yung dabbling universe.
If you don't then yeah down below someone can just get you. Others can fight as far as I care now. On 24/01/2023 8:09 am, Jude DaShiell wrote:
You missed out on a huge amount of the basic training. You didn't learn about ftp or gopher either or listserv among other things. They also never showed you how to come up with good passwords either. It's no wonder the script kitty and hacker class have so much fun on the internet. Sighted people got no better training than you. Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Day Garwood wrote:Telnet is part of basic internet training? Yikes. The only training we had in the UK back in my days was, this is how to browse the web, this is how to check your emails. Oh, and don't give out your passwords. Had I been at a different school or in a different time I guess I might have been taught more internet and network-based stuff in my A-levels, but, well, let's just say that turned out to be a total fiasco. Cheers. On 23/01/2023 18:54, Jude DaShiell wrote:Not everybody had proper internet training. There used to be a course called roadmap to the internet which was a 10 lesson email independent study course a long time ago and one of the lessons in that course covered telnet. I took the course but lost the lessons when internet providers changed. Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Day Garwood wrote:Hi Travis, You say simple, but I've never even heard of a telnet client lol. Text based games? I'm reminded of geeky command line stuff, but I can't imagine that working for games. Like, kill enemy. The enemy is dead... Clearly there's more to it than that, they wouldn't make thousands of games if they had no challenge. So yeah, now you've really lit my fire. The only downside is I think the novelty would wear off pretty soon, since it wouldn't be very realistic. But hey, who knows. If they're as big as they sound they might be like books where I just can't put them down even though I haven't got all the sound effects going on. Can you clarify when you say you can't break anything? As I say I got tons and tons of errors last time, so I'm guessing I did something wrong. I can't imagine a client with that many errors making it out the door. And I hadn't heard of anyone else getting errors at the time either. Also when you're finally connected if users are waiting for you to do something and you don't know what you're doing I can easily see harsh words flying back and forwards. I can see why people might think it's just a case of put a mud (I.E. a game) online and people show up. After all, if I run a TopSpeed or Crazy Party server, that's literally all it is. And if you don't know about muds then that could be a common misconception. I would probably have got caught in that trap myself if you hadn't have informed me otherwise. Also there's the fact that some people just don't know the difference between a host and an admin - that's not me, although again, I have been there once. Cheers. On 23/01/2023 17:52, Travis Siegel wrote:Muds are simply games that are hosted online. There's thousands of them, in every genre, so your first problem is choosing one that fits the kind of game you want to play. They are text based, so a simple telnet client is all you need to play them. There are mud clients that make interacting with the muds easier, but they are by no means essential to play. Sincce you're new though, you should probably give it a try with a mud that does have features for visually impaired users, such as 3k, or alteraeon, since both of those muds have features to cut down on the amount of spam you receive while logged into the game, and that can make a huge difference even for veteran players. Basically though, head on over to the mud connector http://www.mudconnect.com, look for a mud that looks interesting, and have at it. When you first log into a mud, you can (generally) use any name you like, since it's a game, the point is to have fun, so nobody needs (or in most cases wants) to know you real name, so just pick something that sounds good to you, and run with it. As you get more and more experience with muds, you'll gravitate to particular kinds of muds or particular mud drivers/systems. Some folks love the diku style muds (circle, rom, tartarus, envy, and so on), others prefer a more custom esperience, LPC muds (btw, 3k and lostsouls are both lpc muds), Alteraeon is a custom written driver that kind of resembles both circle and lpc, but it's agood combination that works. If you're looking for a mud that has lots of other blind players so you can get assistance, alteraeon might be where you want to start, but if you're interested in just trying things out, 3k may be where you want to start, because they have areas for science, fantasy, and chaos (thus the 3 kingdoms monicre), but they do have a bit of a newbie friendly zone to get started in, though it's nowhere near as guided as you might find on circle based muds, what with their newbie school that practically walks you through the first few levels, telling you what to type, how to type it, and when to do different things. I was never a fan of that myself, but I do see the appeal. So, anyway, either take a listing from the mailing list that looks good to you, or check mudconnector and find something for yourself you think might work, then dive in, you can't break it. There's tons of mud clients, aand to be perfectly honest, I've never in my life used anything other than a mainstream mud client. I've never even tried those put out specifically for visually impaired users, because I personally can't stand the hand holding most mud clients try to do (even for sighted folks), which is why I've stuck to things like muddle and tintin over the years, because those both have scripting languages, but it's more or less up to the user to do their own scripting to make it do what they want, and that's more my style. I never did like preconfigured clients that only allow me to do cer5tain things, because someone thought it was a good idea to protect me from commands I might accidentally type. (why? You can't break anything, so why bother?) The first mud ZI ever played on was called dark wind, and I believe that mud is gone now, although it still existed a few years ago. That was also the first mud I became a wizard on, and built areas for other players to use. I've also run my own muds from time to time, (rom, LPMud, mordor, empire, and others, but running a mud is a *lot* of work, and I just don't have the patience for it. I did host muds for several years in the late 90s, but I eventually got out of that too, dealing with customer requests got out of hand, even with terms clearly outlined I was still being asked to compile a mud, fix a bug, and so on and so on. You run the mud, it's up to you to maintain the thing. Too many folks thought running a mud was a s simple as putting up a server, and the players show up. <sigh> Anyway, that's neither here nor there. The take away from this message is that there's thousands of muds out there, find one that works for you, and you'll be happy. On 1/23/2023 11:32 AM, Day Garwood wrote:Hi, I've seen a lot of messages here about muds. I'm getting the impression that, given that not many audiogames are made any more, seems like muds are the way forward if I want to try anything new. I don't know a lot about them, in fact I thought "mud" was a game, but based on messages that I'm seeing I'm getting the impression they're merely a type of game. The only think I really know is that you need a "mud client", suggesting that they're online based. That makes me think of things like QuentinC and RS, but even that doesn't quite sound right somehow. Years ago, I tried to use VIPMud but got nowhere, then was told that it wasn't supported so I should go use this other thing (which was apparently better anyway). My teacher then Enthusiastically got me to press loads of buttons, only to discover that I got a whole screenload of errors, and then they didn't know what to do with themselves and clicked off. So bang went that idea. That was the last I heard about muds for a while, up to now. So I'd be interested to know how they work, how I might go about trying one without embarrassing myself, which client I should try, which game I should try, etc etc. Even better, if someone has any free time and would be willing to actually sit and go through it with me step by step privately on a call or something, that would be amazing. Especially since the one lesson I learned from my disaster of a session is that it's not a case of download, launch, play, like most audiogames are. It'll probably turn out to be one of those things that sounds overly complicated now, but in a year I'll be a whiz at it. Hopefully. Cheers.
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