I'll shoot you off an e-mail. 9:00 pacific standard time? If I can find a headset that works, I might give it a shot.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Schamerhorn Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? Hi James I'd also like to contact you offlist if you wouldn't mind. The chat starts at 9:00 or there about on WWW.for-the-people.com I doubt i'll be showing this evening. Though if yif you would like to get in touch it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope to hear from you Ron Schamerhorn Audyssey Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN only ----- Original Message ----- From: James from Alchemy To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? What time is the game chat? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Whittington Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? Ekekekeke Guess we have a nice topic for game chat tonight. Some ears going to be ringing tonight. LOl Crash ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > Send something to Kevin off list as he has asked, voicing your opinion. I > hope every list member sends him something, whether it be on the side for, > or against, Brenda's behavior. To me, the worst thing she did was to post > portions of, or entire, off list Emails to the list, making them no longer > private. Unexcusable. I have sent Kevin a private Email, and have also > sent Brenda a copy of my thoughts on how she has been handling this > situation, and have also made my feelings known as to what should be done > and why. Again, I hope that all list members take part in shaping the > list > in the future. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Whittington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > >> Got to say that was not fair. With mods reminding us to take things off >> list then posting it as though it was not a private conversation. Now >> wlhy >> would anybody take it off line to have some thing maybe taken out off >> contents. A person would nick pick and reword the email to fit thier >> agenda. >> I myself find anything new or even justifying in the email to have such a >> thing to be done. IN fact if there was any justifying reason to do such >> an >> act no one sould do it. no one asked to see the private messages and >> doing >> some thing like is not knocking a person character but the one who who >> did >> the public posting. We all don't like public flogging and thats whatit >> looked like and a a ploy for more flogging and ridecue. >> >> The action and reaction of this is going not help the moderation of the >> list when a mod ask a person to take it of list and they want to take to >> the >> email member to talk to them privately, how can one trust a mod to keep >> it >> private between them. It certaining looks like a mistake, if one gets >> caught up in the moment and a retracktion is is the best thing all >> around. >> When I read the post I felt dirty. So, as others I am sure, not to >> mention >> James who's trust was broken in thinking that emailing a moderator, would >> break this common sense trust. >> >> I am only trying to be fair and truthfull here and not wanting to stir up >> anything up. This email group for me gets my most email in my box and >> yes, >> its a tough enough job to mod it as I see it in my email box. For us on >> the >> list we don't see what gets through for this and that, and I am happy for >> it. But do we going to need a Mod for the moderators. >> >> So, since this email has to about flaming and flogging, I have done so. >> Not >> on anybody but on a matter that is very important and that is posting >> private messages to a public form. The list has rules now and maybe its >> up >> to the members now to look at making rules for the Moderators. This >> email >> may spawn off other threads, well so be it, maybe all this will make the >> list even better in the long run I took some time off before writting >> this >> email, and that may have been the right choice for me and for those who >> may >> get caught up in something and later wishes they had not. This list >> certainly has people who cares and thats great. WE have a passion for >> games >> and that is the heart of this email list. We want this email to be as >> good >> as it can be and once awhile the passion blinds us in what we are doing, >> being good or bad. So, when we all can try to remember, at times to sit >> back before going off and ask ourselves will this hurt or be helpful. >> For >> the email list I hope this does help and for this old wind bag, I have >> said >> my peace and want to get back to learning about games. >> >> Thanks Crash >> God Bliss >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jennifer North" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:18 AM >> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> >>> >>> You, as a moderator, should know that this point will only bring this >>> discussion back up even as it's been dealt with effectively by Kevin. >>> What >>> do you need now? Vindication? Do I bring this issue to my website and >>> have >>> an all-out war? You brought off-list correspondence on-list. It's >>> well-known that you often act towards members in ways that would >>> normally >>> get others in trouble or on moderated status. Is there a >>> double-standard? >>> I believe so. Others believe so. That's just my opinion based on past >>> flare ups you've had with other members (who shall not be mentioned, nor >>> their private e-mails fanned out here in a public forum). >>> >>> As many people have definite opinions of you as they do of me. Thought >>> this >>> thread was dead? On one hand, you say that you refuse to respond, and >>> now >>> you're bringing it back up. >>> >>> I don't see what's so hard to see about the thread being snide, >>> facetious, >>> and sarcastic. To what standard can the members be held accountable to >>> if >>> you, as a moderator, do not adhere to the same standard? >>> >>> Let it go and move on.. get some therapy.. whatever, but you know, if I >>> can't even e-mail a moderator privately without you shoveling it all >>> over >>> the list publicly, then screw it. I don't know what kind of medication, >>> affliction, or condition you either have or need to have, but this is >>> getting old. >>> >>> Drop it already.. if you need to have the last word, then have it.. >>> then, >>> let's let it go.. and, please, everyone else not respond to her last >>> word.. >>> time to move! on! folks!.. as, Mr. Rivard would say. *grin* >>> >>> James >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On >>> Behalf Of brenda green >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:41 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> Something to think about, no responses needed. >>> >>> >>> >>> First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of this >>> thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this >>> list >>> . >>> I do have a job and a family. >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled to >>> an >>> opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification of >>> whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where it >>> ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and stated >>> the >>> fact for my decision. >>> >>> >>> >>> The following are messages between James North and myself, some of which >>> were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I have >>> never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do >>> state >>> the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. >>> There's >>> also a couple of messages from other list members who shall remain >>> nameless >>> unless they choose to admit to them. >>> >>> >>> >>> That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with >>> pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. >>> "raceway" >>> was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to those >>> who >>> paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and recalled. >>> I >>> don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a year >>> later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait until >>> it >>> is >>> actually released to take a look at it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't >>> recall >>> anyone twisting YOUR arm. >>> >>> >>> >>> That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an >>> entire >>> year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life doing the >>> community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply don't. >>> Your >>> innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in the >>> spirit >>> of >>> your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even after it's >>> released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the price to >>> $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get busy. >>> Ain't >>> that right, Brenda? *smile* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: James North >>> >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>> >>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>> >>> >>> >>> Brenda, >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG List >>> will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I >>> assume >>> you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back on >>> moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very >>> quickly. >>> >>> >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> To: James North >>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>> >>> >>> >>> No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do not >>> intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt with >>> the >>> same as any other member of the list. >>> >>> >>> >>> My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps you >>> need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are >>> true. >>> >>> >>> >>> Brenda Green >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> >>> >>> >>> From: James North >>> >>> To: 'brenda green' >>> >>> Subject: RE: Post & Status >>> >>> >>> >>> Brenda, >>> >>> >>> >>> What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's see >>> what >>> happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming >>> through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark >>> about >>> pre-ordering and then again tonight. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need to >>> imply >>> that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is inconsequential. As >>> soon >>> as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, anyway. I >>> have >>> eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit of me being >>> on >>> the list is that people can ask me questions directly. That's why I'm >>> there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll unsubscribe again. >>> That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the list does >>> take >>> time out of my day. >>> >>> >>> >>> As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business of >>> what >>> 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to find any >>> of >>> my customer's who have had as much on their plate while trying to >>> maintain >>> a >>> regular job and still work on these games for you guys. >>> >>> >>> >>> I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. If >>> anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then they >>> will, too. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I >>> didn't >>> keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also a lot who >>> depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track record >>> and >>> if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only the games >>> I >>> have written and released, not to mention inspiring others to follow >>> suit, >>> then I really don't know what to tell them. >>> >>> >>> >>> I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you really >>> need >>> to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still >>> seem >>> to >>> have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm put back >>> on >>> moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. >>> >>> >>> >>> It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the list, >>> as >>> the next post shows. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: brenda green >>> >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>> >>> >>> >>> James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me >>> since >>> I >>> have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. Somebody >>> asked >>> me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have the rights >>> to >>> both games. >>> >>> >>> >>> Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point >>> please. >>> During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway they refused >>> to >>> take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it this true or >>> false? >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the answer >>> and >>> others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as the person >>> that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you and they'd >>> like >>> to get Monty, can they change their order since the same company owns >>> both >>> games? If there's a price difference, can they pay the difference and >>> get >>> Monty instead of Raceway? >>> >>> >>> >>> Brenda Green >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, Brenda. >>> >>> >>> >>> That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me except >>> during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no >>> pre-orders. >>> >>> >>> >>> Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If anyone's >>> interested, e-mail >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> - James >>> >>> >>> >>> I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two >>> messages. >>> If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do so themselves. >>> >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Subject: personal opinion >>> >>> >>> >>> It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. Open >>> hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone who, >>> on >>> a >>> fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by showing >>> such >>> open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, her own >>> messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot at least >>> follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Brenda, >>> >>> I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good >>> thing >>> that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes known >>> that >>> he is looking for them. I think of your messages as a public service >>> message to new comers and I'm glad that you do them as it seems that one >>> can >>> not post any sort of negative message about Mr North, his games or his >>> previous pre-order record to the list without occurring the wrath of a >>> moderator, others and Mr North himself no matter how non flaming and >>> factual >>> the message may be. >>> >>> >>> >>> Several of you may be interested in this bit of news. 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