The BMW UUC Digest Volume 1 : Issue 58 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Z3 2.8 tranny fluid change Mint '81 320i-what's it worth Re: WANTED: E30 Hop-Up Parts Re: E28 M5 SCCA Solo II clasification ? Re: Strange question Re: Strange question Re: Strange question Re: Strange question Major Projects/5speed conversion/annual project list! Re: Major Projects/5speed conversion/annual project list! Strut question Re: Strut question WTT M6 for E30
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:27:16 -0500 From: "Jason O'Dell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Z3 2.8 tranny fluid change Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Any good references out there for this. Doing it for a friend, who is without the bentley manual. Thanks for the info, Jason _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:06:50 -0800 From: Eric Rayl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mint '81 320i-what's it worth Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2 qustions for the list today- What does anyone think the following car is worth? Do any listers want it? The car: '81 320i, one owner (my mother in law, literally a little old lady from California) 100,000 miles Always garaged, always a bay area car, never an accident Orig. light metallic grey paint, excellent condition Has sunroof, pwr. brakes, AC, no pwr. steering-everything works Orig. clutch I know this isn't the most collectible BMW, on the other hand it is in really fantastic condition. Car in in Sebastopol, CA. Thanks in advance, Eric Rayl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:25:32 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Peter Guagenti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: WANTED: E30 Hop-Up Parts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Peter, I'm a bit confused by what you've posted. Assuming your nephew's car is a U.S. model, it is either an '83 E21 320i (1.8 liter) or an '84 E30 318i. All U.S. E30s came with 14 inch wheels or larger. Assuming it is an E30: Yes, "is" suspension parts will fit, but you'll need the front strut tubes from the "is". The 318i uses smaller diameter tubes. Interior parts are a direct swap. Any 4x100 hub-centric wheel with the right offset will fit, there are many applications. Check out the Tire Rack's web site. The exhaust on the 318 uses a single pipe exhaust, while the 325i/is uses a twin pipe exhaust. Custom matching the 2 pipe system to a 318 would make an interesting custom exhaust project. Learn how to weld! Have fun helping him with the new family project car. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:26:59 -0800 From: Peter Guagenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: WANTED: E30 Hop-Up Parts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My 15 year old nephew has succumbed to the same sickness we all have -- Bimmeritis. He has gone and spent every last dime he has saved over the years on a 1983 BMW 318i. As this is as close as he could afford to his uncle's M3 and 330i, he is pretty content. That said, I want to help him out. The car is tired (almost by definition, it is a 318i after all ;-), and needs work. I'm looking for low-cost hop-up parts (read: free or very cheap) to improve the car for him. I'll be flying up to their home in Oregon in the new year and would love to come bearing goodies to help him install. Some specific things I'd love to find for him: - Shocks/springs/bars -- do 'is' parts fit? - Interior (his is ragged and in need of replacing) - Wheels -- anything better than the stock 13?s - Exhaust So, if you have any performance parts, maintenance items, or minor upgrades collecting dust in the garage, let me know. You'll be helping me create yet another BMW addict to join our fold. Any help would be appreciated. -peter*g ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:35:36 -0500 From: Ron Katona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuuc digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E28 M5 SCCA Solo II clasification ? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matt Evans wrote: > Ok, so apparently the E28 M5 should be in F stock for solo II True. > except mine has a problem. > > 1) it has the frank fahey bulletproof crank hub. This is obviously not a > performance modification, but a "engine, pretty please dont blow up" mod. "Obviously not a performance modification" is not your call according to the SCCA. Remember, the SCCA classifies hundreds of cars for Solo-II. Each has their own quirks and many owners of many cars would like to do "don't blow up" type mods (ask 911 owners about timing chain tensioners), but can't according to the rules. Not blowing up on course is a performance enhancement if you consider finishing the course an integral part of performance. However, I'd ask what level of competition you plan on attending? If it's local club autocross using SCCA rules, I'd simply tell other competitors that the car has a few specific mods that make it illegal for the class. Ask them if they care. In most cases, unless you're beating them, no one will complain. If you start to win, they have the option to ask you to run in the correct class. If you're running national events, do not run it in stock. The car is either stock according to the rules, or it's not. In this case, it's not. > 2) it has a lightweight flywheel. this is obviously a performance mod, and > definitely looks to be disallowed for F stock. Yes, Street Prepared for the flywheel, ESP to be specific for the M5 (under the heading "Other Sedans over 3.0 liters not otherwise classified"). > 3) it has an aftermarket cat but factory downpipes and exhaust. Since the car is more than 5 years old, aftermarket cats are ok in stock (cars less than 5 years/50,000 miles must use OEM), but they must be "of the same type and size and used in the same location as the original equipment converter(s). This does not allow for a high performance unit." If you used an aftermarket high flow cat, it's another Street Prepared mod. > So, what the heck category would that put me in ? The problem is the crank hub. There is no allowance in Stock or SP for this mod so both FS and ESP are out. If it's not specifically listed as legal in the SCCA rule book, then it's illegal for that class. This means you go all the way to Modified. I'm not sure what Mod class the M5 would fit, but it would be hopelessly outclassed whatever it is. However, you can also run in Street Modified and that's probably what I'd do. Pretty much all engine mods are legal in SM and so are your other mods. You'd get killed at any national event in a lightly modified M5, but at the local level SM is just a fun class for people who want to run and have fun, but have a few illegal mods for stock or SP. -- Ron Katona ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:09:59 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Strange question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From what I was told while going to trade school. That GM used this in there high end cars Ca. As sometimes customers would complain about a gear oil smell. If you don't know the smell of gear oil your not missing anything, its that bad. I got to smell the GM grape gear oil and it smells like cough surup. Kyle Sanchez Re: Strange question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK mighty minions of the automotive guild, Why does GM put a grape scent in their 75W90 gear oil? Specifically it's a "synthetic" gear oil that's called for in some of the truck differentials. Unless it serves some purpose or it's an accidental artifact of the material itself, I don't see GM wasting money to add it for no good reason. -Kevin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:45:02 -0600 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Strange question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Formulated for vision impaired mechanics? Actually, it seems like that would make for quick identification of the oil *drained* from a diff, assuming there's any standardization of fruits, but that's just a guess. I did try googling "fruit scented lube" but most of the links were a litte OT... rss >Why does GM put a grape scent in their 75W90 gear oil? Specifically it's a >"synthetic" gear oil that's called for in some of the truck differentials. >Unless it serves some purpose or it's an accidental artifact of the >material itself, I don't see GM wasting money to add it for no good reason. > >-Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Don�t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:10:03 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Strange question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What, something like "Ate Super Grape" and "Ate Strawberry"? ;-) - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [UUC] Strange question > Actually, it seems like that would make for quick identification of the oil > *drained* from a diff, assuming there's any standardization of fruits, but > that's just a guess. > > rss > > >Why does GM put a grape scent in their 75W90 gear oil? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:30:59 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Strange question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> perhaps it's added to the factory fill (or service fill) only as a way to differentiate between the original fill or fluids which have been replaced later. sort of like BMW's "Lifetime" fills for transmissions. if there was a strict service interval on a particular diff or trans, they could (attempt to) deny warranty if someone had(n't) changed the fluids on the proper schedule. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:12:01 -0500 From: "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Major Projects/5speed conversion/annual project list! Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brad, nice job on the 5 speed conversion..http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/ what a big pile of work, and your documentation on the website is great too..Congratulations. That was a pretty major piece of wrenching..got the grease out from under your nails yet..??? Ah youth and ambition.(I'm 43).I have a 91 325ic and it has a slushbox.. a WORKING slushbox.. a very nice slushbox.. I can't seem to get the mojo to do a conversion.. maybe its the other Bimmer, the truck, the speedboat, the plane, the kids, the wife's car, the work..its so in the 'ain't broke category'.. but if there ever was a car that needs a 5 speed....what with the M3 suspension.. My major projects this year to date; Fixed all the rust , did the body work and repainted my 735i, (twice, the first metallic Luxor metallic beige looked like an alligator skin set of cowboy boots..the British Racing Green came out very well.. put in a wiper motor, rebuilt the heater controller 'sword' , and changed the ATF and gasket/filter and I'm putting a new set of front Bilsteins in the 735i, as the 150k on them has reduced their damping..we'll see how liberal their 'lifetime' warranty is..they charged 1/2 price deposit on the replacement set. said they would test the returns.. Cut out and repaired the rust on the 1/4 panel and door sill on the 325ic, and resprayed the repairs (Did you know there really is only one color black for most black cars.. an easy match) and fixed the body hangar for the muffler(broke at the weld on the spare tire tub..bolted a new hangar on from a muffler hangar..came out slick) and installed a battery master switch under the hood so I can shut of the power when it sits . I think its getting the rest of the dings fixed, and a repaint in the spring, and maybe a new top..I need to keep painting now that I figgered it out..got a new HVLP gun for the first paint job and now I'm a painting fool.. Put driving lights on the the Suburban, changed the radiator and alternator, pulled and adjusted the rear drums, rotated the rubber, put on a new water pump, intake manifold gaskets, repainted the intake manifold and rocker covers, replaced rocker cover gaskets and fuel injection gaskets, new ignition wire set ,( BTW don't buy Accel Wires, the boots started arcing and the warranty is only 1 year..POS stuff.. Napa Lifetimes they just throw another set at you..) plugs and belt, wired a brake controller and 7 pin connector for the trailer..that 9000lb dual axle tractor/ trailer was truly scary with no brakes. Dug out and regraded the driveway with said tractor....Oh yeah, changed the oil and coolant and fuel and hydraulic filters..ever bleed a diesel injector..? ..in that 4wd 50hp Ford tractor(may need to borrow it again .) Repainted the front bumper cover/nose on the Roadmaster and installed a set of FF75 Hellas (nice set nice wiring harnessBTW)so the old lady could see at night.(couldn't really install driving lights on crusty clear coat now could I?) Put a new gimbal bearing and drive boots on the Wellcraft stern drive, painted the bottom, touched up the topsides, repainted the drive ..(rebuilt it and a friends as well last year) rebuilt the Rochester Quadrajet ..very cool carb) Rebuilt the starter on the 40hp Mercury on the whaler..(actually removed it and brought it to the rebuild guy) Pulled the # six cylinder off the airplane and ground the valves and replaced it..only had 25lbs/80 at the compression leakdown test, got it up to 65/80 cold on the retest..which is cool..( punched myself in the mouth as hard as I've ever gotten slugged when I hit the ratchet release on the wrench while tightening the cylinder base bolts.. Replaced the CV boot and cutlass bearing and drive shaft seals on my buddies Duck tour Hydraterra amphibious tour bus/truck boat.. Put shocks, wires, ignition parts, plugs fuel, air,oil tranny filters and fluid, waterpump, belt and coolant flush/hoses in my buddies Ford van (bitch working in the doghouse..but he did give me $950.00 And built a couple of computers. Painted the inlaws' summer cottage..( got to shoot a Glock (POS gun IMHO much prefer the Sig Sauer...my ears are still ringing.inaccurate btw couldn't seem to hit a quart oil jug at 50 fet, and I'm not really that lame a shooter...) and a Carbon Fiber AR15 assault rifle with a Fiber optic special forces sight (After dark with this one..scary accurate..BIG muzzle blasts..) while I was up there in 'Deliverance country'.( What fun is Alcohol without Tobacco and Firearms .... I don't smoke..but it is The Bureau of ATF after all and we do smuggle Cubans in because the Canadian border is right over the river..) BTW Fear is when you see your six year old pull a .22 round out of his pocket and chamber a round while the rest of the crew is downrange changing targets.."Jake, hold still buddy..let me have that.... we'll talk about this a little later" ...phew...no one else saw...) Fun is when the bragging head rednecks' little sister kicks everyone's butt in the .22 pistol shooting competition...(I was second, and she likes me...) Got to shoot a Chinese AK47 as well at another summer place...though once again there was a young lady, .. a 17 year old southern belle debutante type, who exploded all the target melons better than the rest of us..hope her future husband never is overcome by the urge to complain about her cooking.....or blows the "honey, does this dress make me look fat?" test... I also got to remember how to do wheelies on a Suzuki RM 125 on the gravel airstrip, after some beers, while wearing protective gear.. shorts and a tee shirt ..and demonstrate them to my 6 and 9 year old sons..who were driving a go cart at the time I passed them on the back wheel..some people just NEVER learn..(you still do them the same way you did when you were 20...just pour on the gas, dump the clutch in second , spin the tire and pull back.. It is important to never let the front wheel touch the ground when you go through a puddle..style points here..don't want to set a bad example for the boys..we have standards to uphold here..) Put a new battery in my sis in laws car, and headlight and serp belt. Put a new battery in at the Wal Mart parking lot (20 degrees Bubba) in my ice skating instructors' car (those figure skaters have great a**es you know..what would you have done?? Getting some free 'skating lessons' for that one he he ..) Changed the oil in all of these machines too a few times.. Just got done putting a head and exhaust gaskets and shear pins in the ancient snowblower..gonna snow tomorrow ya know.. Found an Ice cream maker at the dump, made a bunch of coffee rum kaluaha cookie dough ice cream, Brewed a bunch of beer...kegs full... he he he.. Taught the 9 year old how to drink beer after skiing.. Didn't get it on with that Blonde stewardess with the boob job that tried to get me back to her hotel room... ( David would you like to take me home?....shit that was 2 years ago, and I'm SURE I'll regret that one when I'm an old f*** on the porch at the retirement home..WHAT WAS I THINKING?? S****!!! What a numb F***) "Well Vern, I'm sure glad I didn't do that" ....."wouldn't want to have that memory in there now that I'm 87 and the Viagra and 90 year old debutantes ain't doin it.".....NOT!! (do I sound bitter?) So I guess no one could call me totally unmotivated, but I'd still like a 5 speed to make cool revving noises and do power slides with in the 325ic! I guess I need to find some hobbies..or get a life or something..You think I could make this stuff up? Dave Leonard 88 735i New BRG Paint 91 325ic with recent body repairs 93 Suburban 4wd 1/2 ton Another Fuel Injected Small block V8 5.7 92 Roadmasher by Buick (the lead sled) Another Fuel Injected Small block V8 5.7 66 Boston Whaler 40hp Merc 90 Wellcraft with a 5.7 MercruiserSBC 72 Bellanca SuperViking 300HP 8.7 liters! And a few snowmobiles, folding kayaks, pinball machines , kids and a wife, and various girlfriends.. I think this stuff owns me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Major Projects/5speed conversion/annual project list! Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Dave, I started this conversion during my two-week Thanksgiving break from school last year (2002). After ordering some of the wrong parts, having some of the parts take too long to get to the house, being sent the wrong rear transmission crossmember (I was sent one for a 4HP22, not a Getrag 260/5), not having the clutch alignment tool, and performaing numerous other flub ups on my part, I got the car on the ground and driveable some time in January or February. Each problem required me to drop what I was doing, go back to school in a borrowed car, and make the 2-hour drive back home a week or two later to resume the project. Then, that night the shifting shaft broke off of the outside of the transmission. I had to drive the car back in 4th gear. After waiting a week or two for my friend to bring a junk yard replacement transmission from 5 hours away, I swapped the transmissions and installed a new clutch disc. I wasn't completely finished and completely satisfied with the job until March 4, which was when I took a 1000+ mile round trip, and I enjoyed every minute of it! The job ended up costing me just under $1500 in new and used parts, and it took me exponentially longer than it should have. Would I do it again? Absolutely. Taking into account all that happened, I would say without a doubt that it was worth every penny and every minute I spent on the job. A friend -- the same friend that picked up the junkyard tranny for me -- did a 5-speed conversion on his '86 535i a few months later. His took quite a bit less time, and I got to do the hard stuff for him, lol. I think if I had it to do again, it would take me about a week, if that. The job's really not THAT hard, but all of the things that can happen really slow the process down! Thanks for the play-by-play of your year! Anyone else have a crazy year? Brad Couvillon www.fatdaddybmw.com --- "David A. Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brad, nice job on the 5 > speed > conversion..http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/ what > a big pile of > work, and your documentation on the website is great > > too..Congratulations. That was a pretty major piece > of wrenching..got the > grease out from under your nails yet..??? > > Ah youth and ambition.(I'm 43).I have a 91 325ic and > it has a slushbox.. a > WORKING slushbox.. a very nice slushbox.. > > I can't seem to get the mojo to do a conversion.. > maybe its the other > Bimmer, the truck, the speedboat, the plane, the > kids, the wife's car, the > work..its so in the 'ain't broke category'.. but if > there ever was a car > that needs a 5 speed....what with the M3 > suspension.. > > My major projects this year to date; <snip huge list of things that I could probably never get done in a lifetime> > So I guess no one could call me totally > unmotivated, but I'd still like a > 5 speed to make cool revving noises and do power > slides with in the 325ic! > > I guess I need to find some hobbies..or get a life > or something..You think > I could make this stuff up? > > Dave Leonard > > 88 735i New BRG Paint > 91 325ic with recent body repairs > 93 Suburban 4wd 1/2 ton Another Fuel Injected Small > block V8 5.7 > 92 Roadmasher by Buick (the lead sled) Another Fuel > Injected Small block V8 5.7 > 66 Boston Whaler 40hp Merc > 90 Wellcraft with a 5.7 MercruiserSBC > 72 Bellanca SuperViking 300HP 8.7 liters! > And a few snowmobiles, folding kayaks, pinball > machines , kids and a wife, > and various girlfriends.. > > I think this stuff owns me! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:23:01 -0500 From: "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Strut question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a 1993 318is that I use as a daily driver, no drivers ed or autocrosses with it. I installed new Bilstein HD struts in June of '01 on this car. Both front struts are now completely shot. Should struts not last longer than 2.5 years and 25k miles, especially Bilsteins? Anybody else have any similar experiences? And since I am going to have to replace these again, any recommendations? If I go with Bilsteins again, what's the difference between the HD's and the Sports? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:15:04 -0800 From: "Clan Hood-Douda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'DUNLAP, LARRY'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Strut question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Larry, The front Sport Bilsteins on our '95 325i are going on 8 years old with no sign of wear (that I can detect). Certainly 2.5yrs/25k miles is abnormal. The only difference between HD and Sport for e36 body Bilsteins are the rod length (Sports are short). Valving is the same. Do you have stock springs? If not, running HD Bils with sport/lowering springs will quickly reduce their lifetime. I discovered this by initially installing rear HD on our '95. This is with H&R Sport springs on all four corners. The rear shocks wore out in 3 years due to bottoming I would guess. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DUNLAP, LARRY Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] Strut question Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 1993 318is that I use as a daily driver, no drivers ed or autocrosses with it. I installed new Bilstein HD struts in June of '01 on this car. Both front struts are now completely shot. Should struts not last longer than 2.5 years and 25k miles, especially Bilsteins? Anybody else have any similar experiences? And since I am going to have to replace these again, any recommendations? If I go with Bilsteins again, what's the difference between the HD's and the Sports? __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:09:42 -0500 From: "Endersbee, David M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: WTT M6 for E30 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject says it. Just had my second child, I can't bear to drive the car in heavy traffic to and from my office in DC any longer, bla bla bla. It's an '87, daily driver, some go-fast stuff on it, nice car and dead reliable. I'm looking for a later E30 (not M3, unfortunately), prefer an 'is' 5 speed, under 120K, red or silver, thoughtful upgrades are good, plus cash. Please email me off-line for details. 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