The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 339 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E36 rear ride height, race spring rates, etc. Re: E36 rear ride height, race spring rates, etc. Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Re: M3 Rear Springs on 318ti? Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Tac Problems
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 rear ride height, race spring rates, etc. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It can't be done well or accurately, but it can be done. I've had a large problem in setting up my car the way I want it until I bit the bullet and got a full coil-over setup. Then the difficulty is using moderate spring rates and getting enough wheel travel. Gary Derian --- "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, I'm a layman. Could you perhaps expand on > that, and how would a normal person do it to both > springs with any accuracy? Not possible? > > Neil > > --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anneal the spring, compress so it yields and > becomes > > shorter, then re heat-treat. > > Gary Derian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 rear ride height, race spring rates, etc. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You guys are a hoot. Gary Derian --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >But the smushing part is even > >easier. When it's glowing brightly, just set it > down and step on it. > > OMG.. Thats funny. > > Should you maybe say "just kidding" to avoid the > possoble Darwin Awardee > actually trying this and branding their foot to the > bone!!!??? > > Laughin, > Jon > > > Well the annealing part is easy. Just put it in > the oven until it's > > white. No red. Maybe bright pink. But the > smushing part is even > > easier. When it's glowing brightly, just set it > down and step on it. > > Use a ruler to get the length right. Heat treat > is a little more > > involved. Put it back in the oven. You might want > to use a thermometer. > > You'll probably want to oil quench, so have a > bucket of waste oil handy > > from your past oil changes. Careful letting too > much oxygen around the > > bucket. It might start a fire when you drop that > big ol' glowing spring > > in there. :) > > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 12:07:41AM -0400, Brian > Daley wrote: > > > I'll take a shot at it. Basically Gary's > suggesting aquiring much of > > > the knowledge and equipment necessary to open > your own spring > > > manufacturing business. ;-) > > > > > >--- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Anneal the spring, compress so it yields and > becomes > > > >>shorter, then re heat-treat. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:47:08 -0700 From: "Joe Elwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee, my job is designing user interfaces - which means I try hard to be in touch with the 'stupidity of users' issue. Of course, users are not stupid, they are our customers, whose capabilities we must consider in our designs. What I find curious is that BMW, the drivers car, dumbs down their user interface, while companies like Toyota don't (the temp guage on my Toyota reads reality, but the one on my 95 M3 works as Marco describes). Love the car, not the guage, I guess. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? > Could be that most owners are idiots.....BMW for Dummies anyone? > > It must be one hell of a signal filter they have there, but without it, they > would probably get a million complaints a day. In BMW's, even in cars as > old as my E30, this gauge has been reduced to little more than a fancy idiot > light. You really don't expect a soccer mom to understand that the > temperature of the coolant in her 3 series will vary based on load, airflow, > ambient temperature, etc., do you? > > I heard a guy at lunch the other day talking about towing a small trailer > from B'ham to Atlanta with a Buick Regal. Apparently, the tranny was > slipping a bit. So he "saved the tranny" for the drive back by turning on > the heater. You know, because the transmission is cooled from the same > radiator as the engine (his words). Damn, I got to get into the repair > business with lemmings like that out there. I can just see a shop when he > says what he did & why. "Um, sir, yes running the heat like that in the > summer helped your tranny, unfortunately it wasn't good for the radiator > (turning to employees shhhh, stop laughing), so we're gonna have to replace > it, along with the transmission, and the flux capacitor." > > It's like the PCs we just got from Dell for one of our projects. It has > this configuration program from Dell to set up crap like the clock & some > basic stuff in WindowsXP. Basically, "Windows for those who are barely > above drooling on themselves...." Later, I was thinking about it, and while > it drives people like me up the wall, it probably reduces Dell's service > call volume by 90% from questions like, "my clock shows the worng time." > Seriously, if you can't do the stuff in this setup, you probably should not > have a PC, as you are just inconveniencing it anyway...... > > Sigh, I suppose this is going to just keep getting worse though as people > seem to be getting dumber & dumber everyday. > > Lee > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Lawrence > > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 15:36 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? > > > > > > > > > > -> -----Original Message----- > > -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -> You claims of superior engineering is actually BMWs response > > -> to people really not being able to read a gauge properly. > > -> So the temp signal is sent to the computer that determines > > -> whether the temp is in a normal range and then sends the > > -> signal to the gauge to display. That 12 o clock positions > > -> actually is a pretty large range. > > -> > > -> I hate those gauges. > > -> > > -> Marco > > > > > > To add to what Marco said in case you didn't get it clearly. > > BMW decide > > that we are idiots and should not have a gauge that actually > > tells us what > > the real temp is. The BMW gauge will sit at the 12 o'clock > > position even > > when the car is nearing the overheating stage. It is a very > > wide range of > > temp while it is sitting at 12. Usually when it moves above 12, it is > > already overheating as several have noticed when losing a > > head gasket. > > > > I cant remember the exact range but I believe it was in the > > 60-90degree > > range without moving from 12 while it could vary that much. > > > > Anyone out there with an aftermarket gauge care to enlighten > > us to how much > > the temp can fluctuate before the gauge moves from the 12 > > o'clock position? > > > > > > Mike > > > > Search the > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ____________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > > the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:57:56 -0400 From: "Josh Coltrane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not everyone subscribes to the least common denominator theory of interface design though. It's all done in software, so I'd love to see that stuff be configurable (by users/owners, not dealers), with different profiles for different driver types, so the soccer mom gets a single 4 inch diameter idiot light, a speedometer, and PRND indicators, and the rest of us could have all the OBD and other sensor information we wanted. I'm sure BMW's response to some degree is: "You bitched because you wanted control, so we gave you Idrive, and now you're bitching about it being complicated." There's no reason that BMW or Dell or anyone else for that matter shouldn't be able to create something that would make both camps happy. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Elwell Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Lee, my job is designing user interfaces - which means I try hard to be in touch with the 'stupidity of users' issue. Of course, users are not stupid, they are our customers, whose capabilities we must consider in our designs. What I find curious is that BMW, the drivers car, dumbs down their user interface, while companies like Toyota don't (the temp guage on my Toyota reads reality, but the one on my 95 M3 works as Marco describes). Love the car, not the guage, I guess. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? > Could be that most owners are idiots.....BMW for Dummies anyone? > > It must be one hell of a signal filter they have there, but without it, they > would probably get a million complaints a day. In BMW's, even in cars as > old as my E30, this gauge has been reduced to little more than a fancy idiot > light. You really don't expect a soccer mom to understand that the > temperature of the coolant in her 3 series will vary based on load, airflow, > ambient temperature, etc., do you? > > I heard a guy at lunch the other day talking about towing a small trailer > from B'ham to Atlanta with a Buick Regal. Apparently, the tranny was > slipping a bit. So he "saved the tranny" for the drive back by turning on > the heater. You know, because the transmission is cooled from the same > radiator as the engine (his words). Damn, I got to get into the repair > business with lemmings like that out there. I can just see a shop when he > says what he did & why. "Um, sir, yes running the heat like that in the > summer helped your tranny, unfortunately it wasn't good for the radiator > (turning to employees shhhh, stop laughing), so we're gonna have to replace > it, along with the transmission, and the flux capacitor." > > It's like the PCs we just got from Dell for one of our projects. It has > this configuration program from Dell to set up crap like the clock & some > basic stuff in WindowsXP. Basically, "Windows for those who are barely > above drooling on themselves...." Later, I was thinking about it, and while > it drives people like me up the wall, it probably reduces Dell's service > call volume by 90% from questions like, "my clock shows the worng time." > Seriously, if you can't do the stuff in this setup, you probably should not > have a PC, as you are just inconveniencing it anyway...... > > Sigh, I suppose this is going to just keep getting worse though as people > seem to be getting dumber & dumber everyday. > > Lee > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Lawrence > > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 15:36 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [UUC] UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? > > > > > > > > > > -> -----Original Message----- > > -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -> You claims of superior engineering is actually BMWs response > > -> to people really not being able to read a gauge properly. > > -> So the temp signal is sent to the computer that determines > > -> whether the temp is in a normal range and then sends the > > -> signal to the gauge to display. That 12 o clock positions > > -> actually is a pretty large range. > > -> > > -> I hate those gauges. > > -> > > -> Marco > > > > > > To add to what Marco said in case you didn't get it clearly. > > BMW decide > > that we are idiots and should not have a gauge that actually > > tells us what > > the real temp is. The BMW gauge will sit at the 12 o'clock > > position even > > when the car is nearing the overheating stage. It is a very > > wide range of > > temp while it is sitting at 12. Usually when it moves above 12, it is > > already overheating as several have noticed when losing a > > head gasket. > > > > I cant remember the exact range but I believe it was in the > > 60-90degree > > range without moving from 12 while it could vary that much. > > > > Anyone out there with an aftermarket gauge care to enlighten > > us to how much > > the temp can fluctuate before the gauge moves from the 12 > > o'clock position? > > > > > > Mike > > > > Search the > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ____________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > > the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ________________________________________________________________________ __ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:42:08 -0400 From: "Bailey Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> FWIW, newer Jeep gauges are also buffered-including the oil pressure gauge(I guess its the Daimler influence). The dumbing down of society continues; read CM Kornbluth's short story "The Marching Morons" to see where we will be in a few years... Bailey Taylor 1995 318ti Club Sport 1997 528iA 1999 Wrangler Sahara Light Campaign Assault Vehicle Scooter still to be decided-Lookin' at a Trophy 1200 today... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:46:01 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M3 Rear Springs on 318ti? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carlos Lopez wrote: > 318ti trailing arms are more like an E30s aren't they? other than taking a slightly different sized wheel bearing they're nearly identical AFAIK. they definitely fit right into an E30, since I have them on my car. I'd therefore assume that an E36 rear spring would _not_ work on a 318ti. fronts would of course, but that's not the subject here... Ben two cars worth of adjustable E30 rear suspension stuff. two cars too :-P ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:08:47 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UUC - Possible bad temp gauge on e36 M3? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee wrote: > It must be one hell of a signal filter they have there, but without it, they > would probably get a million complaints a day. In BMW's, even in cars as > old as my E30, this gauge has been reduced to little more than a fancy idiot > light. you sure about that ? in my E30 the gauge is a lot more active than it was in the M coupe. the gauge in the E28 is very much real as well as it will move when you turn on the heater. IIRC temp sender on the engine does put out a usable value, the cluster just converts it into one of the pre-set ranges. I think there's a part of the cluster test which will show you a hex value which is related to the temp reading, but I don't recall if it's an actual temp reading. probably not. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:22:50 -0700 From: "Kiely, John '06" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Tac Problems Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone know of another reason for a broken tachometer other than the SI batteries. My dad and I replaced them and the tachometer still doesn't work. All ideas are helpful. ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(8 messages) **********
