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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:45:28 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's an image I didn't need. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:13:19 -0700 >From: Donna S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I used to take great pride in never setting foot in a Walmart. Then on a >100+s weekend at Thunderhill, I needed some thin cheap clothing... > >Donna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:52:59 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: <OT> musings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey it's a good day when Donna and Jenny surface after what seems like a long time. Jenny says"Just keep giving out those tax cuts to Paris Hilton!" To which I say, I doubt she even knows how to spell tax cut. There will be a time in the not to distant future where her fortune will dissipate due to her basic lack of understanding even the most rudimentary concepts of business. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:53:52 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David, very nice, polite, thoughtful reply. In my opinion, while you had all the right reasons to consider a lift made by another MANUFACTURER, I must humbly disagree with you on your choice of another COUNTRY OF ORIGIN, if it were based solely on quality issues (which I know it is not, but that's a debate for another day). Is there crap made in China? Absolutely. Is much of the stuff being made like crap because of the PRICING DEMANDS of the American Consumer? Absolutely. But just because something is made in China, or India or Malaysia or Mexico or wherever does not mean that, by country of origin alone, it is necessarily crap. In fact, due to differences in manufacturing costs, it is quite possible to buy a widget made in China that is as WELL MADE as anything produced in the US, at a fraction of the cost. It'll be more expensive than CRAPPY stuff made in China, but then again, cheap stuff made in America is crappier than quality stuff made in America too. There is a huge quality difference between a Toyota made in the US and a Chevy made in the US. My point is that one cannot rely solely on the country of origin as being wholly indicative of quality. <OBC> - think about this situation from the German perspective. BMW chose to locate a plant in the US because it's CHEAPER to build cars here than it is in Germany - for the same reasons why it's cheaper to manufacture stuff in China than it is in the US. We're the "China" to the German "US", in other words. Maybe there are Germans on a BMW list there bemoaning the quality of American-built stuff as crap - who knows? :-) Sorry for this little digression. I'll leave you with an excellent opinion piece on WHO truly is RESPONSIBLE for the amazing growth of Wal-Mart, and why it's actually a BOON for our economy. http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/pauljacob/2005/11/20/176217.html Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:33:40 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Dennis Liu wrote: > In my opinion, while you had all the right reasons to consider a > lift made > by another MANUFACTURER, I must humbly disagree with you on your > choice of > another COUNTRY OF ORIGIN, if it were based solely on quality > issues (which > I know it is not, but that's a debate for another day). > > Is there crap made in China? Absolutely. Is much of the stuff > being made > like crap because of the PRICING DEMANDS of the American Consumer? > Absolutely. > > But just because something is made in China, or India or Malaysia > or Mexico > or wherever does not mean that, by country of origin alone, it is > necessarily crap. How do you feel about German cars? Yeah, exactly. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:39:11 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wrote: > But just because something is made in China, or India or Malaysia or > Mexico or wherever does not mean that, by country of origin alone, it > is necessarily crap. Mark replied: >How do you feel about German cars? >Yeah, exactly. ========= Mark, I don't know exactly what your point is, care to clarify? Did you mean that because a car is German (built or designed), that it's automatically a superior automobile? FWIW, I love Porsches and BMWs, and have some respect for Audis and MBs and even VWs, but if you're referring to quality, they are far worse than Japanese vehicles - and indeed, many American ones at that. Check out the various JD Power surveys. I think you'll find that quality varies tremendously, even among manufacturers from a common country of origin (e.g., Porsche is much better than BMW, Toyota is better than Mitsubishi, Buick is better than Dodge). But taken overall, Japanese manufacturers still score well above the mean. Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:26:08 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:39 PM, Dennis Liu wrote: > I wrote: > >> But just because something is made in China, or India or Malaysia or >> Mexico or wherever does not mean that, by country of origin alone, it >> is necessarily crap. > > Mark replied: > >> How do you feel about German cars? > >> Yeah, exactly. > > ========= > > Mark, I don't know exactly what your point is, care to clarify? > Did you > mean that because a car is German (built or designed), that it's > automatically a superior automobile? No, I meant that you have the same built-in bias when it comes to German cars. As you so eloquently demonstrated with the rest of your post. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:40:40 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark wrote: >No, I meant that you have the same built-in bias when it comes to German cars. As you so eloquently demonstrated with the rest of your post. ============= Mark, you totally misunderstood what I wrote originally, and I have to disagree. My whole point is that one shouldn't have bias as to the country of origin. And that same logic should be applied to German cars. (So I think, at the core we're in agreement, though you're apparently and erroneously concluding that I'm being hypocritical.) Please reread my last post. I cited quality surveys to show (a) that German quality is not everything that commonly accepted wisdom purports it to be, and (b) even within a country, there can be wide variations in quality. To repeat: German quality isn't as good as Japanese quality (if you're doing a broad survey of vehicle quality by country of origin), BUT some German manufacturers are very good AND better than some (most) Japanese manufacturers (when you dig deeper into the data). And in my first post on this topic, I wrote: "There is a huge quality difference between a Toyota made in the US and a Chevy made in the US. My point is that one cannot rely solely on the country of origin as being wholly indicative of quality. <OBC> - think about this situation from the German perspective. BMW chose to locate a plant in the US because it's CHEAPER to build cars here than it is in Germany - for the same reasons why it's cheaper to manufacture stuff in China than it is in the US. We're the "China" to the German "US", in other words. Maybe there are Germans on a BMW list there bemoaning the quality of American-built stuff as crap - who knows? :-) In case you missed it, Mark, I was using a joke to make my point - maybe there were small-minded Germans who bemoan how the US only makes crappy cars and they preferred to buy only German-made ones. Ironic given recent posts on this topic about the superiority of American manufacturing. Bottom line, Mark, I have no idea what your point is. You accuse me of having a bias with respect to German cars - but I __can't even figure out__ from your post whether you're accusing me of being biased *towards* German cars or "against" German cars. Vty, --Dennis -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Dadgar Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] My new lift comes this week On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:39 PM, Dennis Liu wrote: > I wrote: > >> But just because something is made in China, or India or Malaysia or >> Mexico or wherever does not mean that, by country of origin alone, it >> is necessarily crap. > > Mark replied: > >> How do you feel about German cars? > >> Yeah, exactly. > > ========= > > Mark, I don't know exactly what your point is, care to clarify? > Did you > mean that because a car is German (built or designed), that it's > automatically a superior automobile? No, I meant that you have the same built-in bias when it comes to German cars. As you so eloquently demonstrated with the rest of your post. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:45:08 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Dennis Liu wrote: > Bottom line, Mark, I have no idea what your point is. You accuse > me of > having a bias with respect to German cars - but I __can't even > figure out__ > from your post whether you're accusing me of being biased *towards* > German > cars or "against" German cars. For German cars. But at the end of the day, it's really not that important, is it? Let's move on. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:48:28 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So you're saying that I have a bias "FOR" German cars? When I wrote, "FWIW, I love Porsches and BMWs, and have some respect for Audis and MBs and even VWs, but if you're referring to quality, they are far worse than Japanese vehicles - and indeed, many American ones at that." And that's why you concluded I was biased? Yeah, let's definitely move on. Yeesh. Vty, --Dennis -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Dadgar Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] My new lift comes this week On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Dennis Liu wrote: > Bottom line, Mark, I have no idea what your point is. You accuse me > of having a bias with respect to German cars - but I __can't even > figure out__ from your post whether you're accusing me of being biased > *towards* German cars or "against" German cars. For German cars. But at the end of the day, it's really not that important, is it? Let's move on. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:03:25 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, uuc Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congrats on your efforts, and your new lift. I'd love to see a photo of it. My bet is it is the same Texas garbage that we have in our shop. Absolute crap, and very dangerous to boot. And if it is the same, good luck getting it assembled. After 5 days of part time screwing around on the first one, I paid a local lift dealer to come install the other two. It took him 3 days, and several phone calls, and his comment was "unbelievable garbage". One of the three we have can't be raised without first manually releasing the "automatic" safety locks that prevent the car crashing down on you. If you forget, you could die. A smarter person would have bought a Rotary or Nussbaum. We will be replacing our "American Made" garbage with quality units from one of these two companies before the end of the year. Brett Anderson KMS-Koala Motorsport www.bmwdiffs.com (440) 564 7574 9988 Kinsman Rd Novelty, OH 44072 (Near Cleveland) Maverick wrote: > Just want to say thanks to those who gave me feed back on my questions about > a lift to work on my 318ti and other vehicles. > > I was very fortunate to find a fully Made in America lift at a local > supplier. I had tried to find a non-imported lift and found that an almost > impossible task and thought I had found one only to find it too was made in > China. The one I am waiting to be deliverd later this week is a mid-rise > 6,000 lb lift made by Whip Industries of Texas, a Native American Company. I > saw it today and it was a joy to see that the American product was so much > nicer than the imports. > > Now the sad news, it is no longer made. Mine is NOS and fully waranteed, but > no longer made. Whip could not continue to produce it here and keep up with > the imports prices. Unlike others they decided to stop making it instead of > importing a copy. It is a sad shame that a good company making a good > product has to drop it for a few dollars that somebody is unwilling to pay > for quality. I was able to get mine for just about the same cost as the > Bend-pak and it's clones would cost deliverd. Mine is being deliverd free. > > Once I put it to use I will post another update. > > David in Richmond, VA > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:13:38 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I badly want a Nussbaum, but they don't seem really interested in selling me one with single phase US power. So, if you can make it happen, I want in on that deal. It comes from the same country as my cars. Ed KMS- Brett Anderson wrote: > Congrats on your efforts, and your new lift. > > I'd love to see a photo of it. My bet is it is the same Texas garbage > that we have in our shop. Absolute crap, and very dangerous to boot. > And if it is the same, good luck getting it assembled. After 5 days of > part time screwing around on the first one, I paid a local lift dealer > to come install the other two. It took him 3 days, and several phone > calls, and his comment was "unbelievable garbage". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:25:14 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Automotive Lifts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe: I am also about ready to buy a 2-Post lift....been doing alot of research...and yes, most relatively decent priced lifts are imported....American Lifts are out there in dwindling numbers. But the fact is most enthusiasts, like me, are not in the business of using lifts like daily mechanics...I fail to see the harm in buying an imported lift. So far, the cost is only a part of the equation...other features enter into my decision also. I am open to suggestions from those of you that have experiences, both good and bad with lifts. I am shopping seriously and hope to buy within a few weeks. I have a 4,000psi concrete garage floor with reinforced steel (not wire mesh) 6" thick. Here are some of the companies I've checked out: American Custom Lifts http://www.aclift.com/ America's Pride: http://www.americasprideonline.com/index.shtml Greg Smith Equipment Sales http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/ Backyard Buddy: http://www.backyardbuddy.com/ American Automotive Equipment: http://www.americanautomotiveequipment.com/ Mohawk Lifts: http://www.mohawklifts.com/ I can buy a 2-post lift delivered to my door in the $2,000 range (7k to 9k lifting capacity), 220v, assymetrical or symmetrical arms. Mounting hardware included, and truck adaptors. The biggest problem I have so far is most lifts come in "Blue"...I prefer "Red". Any advice appreciated...not interested in general opinions regarding foreign vs. domestic, just hard facts based on personal experience. Thanks, John Weese Nittany Bimmers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:36:14 -0400 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: My new lift comes this week Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 6/20/06 6:25 PM, My new lift comes this week wrote: > I was very fortunate to find a fully Made in America lift at a local supplier. > I had tried to find a non-imported lift and found that an almost impossible > task and thought I had found one only to find it too was made in China. The > one I am waiting to be deliverd later this week is a mid-rise 6,000 lb lift > made by Whip Industries of Texas, a Native American Company. I saw it today > and it was a joy to see that the American product was so much nicer than the > imports. A friend of mine just bought a lift made by Rotary, right here in Indiana. I believe it was this one: http://www.revolutionlifts.com/library/pdf/revProd.pdf I think he paid around 3 grand, but don't hold me to that. In best instant gratification fashion he called up Rotary, found a local dealer in Florida who had one in stock, gave the dealer his Amex card number and had it delivered, installed and fully functional by that afternoon. Why yes, I am just a bit envious... Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
