The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 96 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <misc> Mintex red box dust? Re: DOT-R tire questions Re: DOT-R tire questions Re: DOT-R tire questions Re: DOT-R tire questions Tire Pressure Monitor Re: Tire Pressure Monitor Re: Tire plug repair Re: Tire plug repair Formula V Traction Treatment, was: DOT-R tire questions Re: <misc> Mintex red box dust? Re: <misc> Mintex red box dust? Re: Tire Pressure Monitoring System.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:23:16 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <misc> Mintex red box dust? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That is what I bought the Akebono pads for. Ask me after March 26 and I'll let you know how they were for auto-X. This assumes that our 1st course design of the year has one or two corners that require hard braking, otherwise I'll have no clue. Akebono has no application for the rear of an E30 318/325. I plan to continue running the Axxis Ultimates in back for now, or maybe I'll throw my R4S's on there if time permits. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:10:58 -0800 >From: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Gold Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: UUC Digest <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: <misc> Mintex red box dust? >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Do you think the Akebono pads would be OK for the occasional autocross? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:39:21 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: DOT-R tire questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Years ago at BFGoodrich I had some analyzed and I remember it being mostly diesel fuel. Many solvents can soften rubber, but it quickly dries out again. I tried kerosene on some old kart tires and it didn't work at all. Perhaps the other components of Formula V will make the difference. Gary Derian > Barry wrote: > >>A good soaking with Formula V will bring most of the traction back. > > __________ > > What's in Formula V anyway? I think Gary D. suggested at some point that > it > was just bleach, or else that bleach works as well as Formula V. Any > ideas > anyone? > > Vty, > > --Dennis > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:40:39 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: DOT-R tire questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> it smells like something distilled and it's flammable. Is bleach flammable? I've never tried. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] DOT-R tire questions Years ago at BFGoodrich I had some analyzed and I remember it being mostly diesel fuel. Many solvents can soften rubber, but it quickly dries out again. I tried kerosene on some old kart tires and it didn't work at all. Perhaps the other components of Formula V will make the difference. Gary Derian > Barry wrote: > >>A good soaking with Formula V will bring most of the traction back. > > __________ > > What's in Formula V anyway? I think Gary D. suggested at some point that > it > was just bleach, or else that bleach works as well as Formula V. Any > ideas > anyone? > > Vty, > > --Dennis > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:24:49 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: DOT-R tire questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No. Gary Derian > it smells like something distilled and it's flammable. Is bleach > flammable? > I've never tried. > > Marco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:36:43 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Clarence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "bmwuucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: DOT-R tire questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Remove the valve core to deflate. This stops pressurized oxygen from being forced through the rubber plies and lets the surface rubber contract closing its pores and reducing its susceptibility to ozone attack. Place tires in plastic bags and store flat. Gary Derian > OK, what's the role of inflation for stored tires? When I change for the > season, I just put the removed tires on a shelf in a shed, usually on > their side, but maybe one standing up. > > Is it important to deflate or overinflate? Why? > > TIA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:07:11 -0800 (PST) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Tire Pressure Monitor Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As Gary said, low profile tires almost need these. Every time I have had a flat with my 245/40/18's on my M5 I have ruined a tire. For some strange reason that has happened like 3 times in 2 years and most recently 2 weeks ago. I drove 50 miles. The car only felt slightly different (all freeway). I noticed it was leaning more than usual on one big sweeping turn and that's when I discovered it. What's funny is that it was a Kumho SPT all season and it was more difficult to tell than when my S03's went flat. Usually, a quick twitch of the wheel will tell you something is amiss but it is amazing how well they hold up. Makes you wonder why they really need real run flats. It isn't cheap (I don't buy tire hazard warranties, maybe I should) but it really is safe vs. old sloppy tires. Kevin Kelly '91 M5 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:19:59 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "kjk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tire Pressure Monitor Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> M5 wheels have a special safety hump that holds the tires onto the wheels even when deflated. The tire must be dismounted at the valve stem, exactly the place where tire jockeys are told not to dismount from because that is where the TPMS senders are mounted. Gary Derian > As Gary said, low profile tires almost need these. > Every time I have had a flat with my 245/40/18's on my > M5 I have ruined a tire. For some strange reason that > has happened like 3 times in 2 years and most recently > 2 weeks ago. I drove 50 miles. The car only felt > slightly different (all freeway). I noticed it was > leaning more than usual on one big sweeping turn and > that's when I discovered it. What's funny is that it > was a Kumho SPT all season and it was more difficult > to tell than when my S03's went flat. Usually, a quick > twitch of the wheel will tell you something is amiss > but it is amazing how well they hold up. Makes you > wonder why they really need real run flats. It isn't > cheap (I don't buy tire hazard warranties, maybe I > should) but it really is safe vs. old sloppy tires. > > Kevin Kelly > '91 M5 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:06:27 -0500 From: "Gaudio, Stefano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Tire plug repair Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Barry, you may want to seat down for these ones :-) 1) in 2003 I had a plug fix by the track tech guys 2)In 2004 the day before the event I was rear-ended (about 20mph differential speed) but no suspension contact. I was ready to pack and go home and the tech guys looked at the car and figured no suspension damage, they helped me duct tape the trunk down (rear lights still working) and I was ready to go... Once on the track, I never got so many point bys :-) As always YMMV Stefano '98 M3 coupe with currently 0 plugs -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gaudio, Stefano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wed Mar 15 16:23:13 2006 Subject: Re: [UUC] Tire plug repair Did you tell Tech that you had plugs in your tires? Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: Gaudio, Stefano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 03:38 PM > To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Tire plug repair > > Hi Dave, > I don't mess with a tire with any sidewall damage but if the > plug is not on the sidewall I don't stress too much about it either. I > had a flat on my way to a track event - 2 nice thick nails - and after > plugging the craters, I did 2 track days on them w/o any issues. I just > made sure to check the tire before and after each session and I took it > easy for the first 2 sessions. > YMMV > Stefano > > In response to... > ---------- _____________________________________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential or legally privileged. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please inform us of the erroneous delivery by return e-mail. Thank you for your cooperation. _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:12:24 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tire plug repair Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't do it!!! Air "will" make its way between the plies...not only can it be dangerous to not inspect the inside of the tire, but cosmetically the tire will look aweful after a time. Ask me how I know? Never again...and no self-respecting tire repair shop will recommend plugs either! John Weese ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:42:03 -0500 From: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Formula V Traction Treatment, was: DOT-R tire questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Since there were some questions on this, I have a friend who sells the stuff and has more info. Matt Murray Matt-- Formula V Traction Treatment is a restorative/preservative product for tires. It is not a tire softener -- won't take those mud 'n snows and turn them into gumballs. But those of us who use "race" tires (whether slicks in P and M or the soft-compound DOT jobs seen in S and SP these days) are familiar with how they get hard over time and use. By the time they turn to stone they still have half their tread. This is why FVTT exists, to keep those tires soft throughout their life. I use the analogy of a kitchen sponge -- soft when first purchased, after use it gets hard and stiff when dry, soak it and it is soft again. Applying FVTT is like soaking the sponge. It will restore old tires, bringing them back to near-new. First time I tried the stuff it was on a year-old half-worn set I was about to throw away. I'd just done a Divisional and was six seconds off the pace (I got them new before the previous year's divisional and was within a couple of tenths of the winner). So I gambled 5% of the price of a new set of tires. It took 14 treatments to bring the tires back. After that it was 2-4 treatments before major events. The next year's Divisional -- the THIRD on the same set of tires over two years -- I won. They went to cord two events later. That was more than 20 years ago. Since then I've taken just about every set of tires to cord or very near, no more throwing out tires with half the tread left. Basically it cuts the tire budget in half. I never have tires to restore any more, so now it is a preservative. I treat the tires before every road race weekend or before every major solo event (I get lazy about doing it before local solos). It works on all tires, even hard-compound tires (although the difference from "soft" to "hard" is much less than it is with our competition rubber). One customer even told me he used it to restore windshield wipers. Finding nobody locally to sell it, I began selling it myself. Most of it is mail order. Cost is $42/gallon, shipping included, anywhere in the lower 48. Discounts for orders of 2-3-4 gallons (a gallon lasts me about a year). Send me an address FedEx can find, plus a phone number, and I'll get a jug on the way. I'm delighted to answer anyone's questions about it. Just e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Murray" To: "Rocky Entriken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: Formula V > Rocky, > > There's a discussion on the Porsche and BMW list, and someone asked > about Formula > V. I am not as knowledgeable, so I thought I'd ask you for a description, > and usage of the stuff that I could forward to them. > > Matt Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What's in Formula V anyway? I think Gary D. suggested at some point that > it > was just bleach, or else that bleach works as well as Formula V. Any > ideas > anyone? > > Vty, > > --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:18:24 -0500 From: "john grills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mark Gold'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <misc> Mintex red box dust? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Depends how hard you lean on them ;-) It's my understanding that they are for street use only, so I'm guessing they would not hold up well under heat. I agree with all the other folks, they are a real nice product. Real quality manufacturing. Cheers. John Grills National Capital Chapter -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Gold Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:11 PM To: Gold Mark Cc: UUC Digest Subject: Re: [UUC] <misc> Mintex red box dust? Do you think the Akebono pads would be OK for the occasional autocross? On 14-Mar-06, at 6:39 PM, Dave Thomas wrote: > On Tuesday 14 March 2006 14:25, Mark Gold wrote: >> I haven't used Mintex, but I am using EBC Greenstuff up front, and >> they dust pretty bad. It may be partially related to my ATE >> Powerdiscs which are slotted. I plan on trying a different brand (I >> also have heard good things about Akebono) when these wear out. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Mark Gold >> Sacramento Valley Chapter BMWCCA >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I have not found the Greestuff's to dust bad at all....especially when > I tossed them in the trash ;-) Cant stand those pads. Terrible on the > E30. I went from the Greestuff's to Akebono ceramics and really like > the Akebono's. > Great street pads. > > Dave T. > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/ > [email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:01:11 -0800 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "john grills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Mark Gold'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <misc> Mintex red box dust? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't know about Akebono pads but I can tell you never use Mintex Redbox for any high heat applications. I was "advised" to toss a set in my track box as backup pads for a lapping day. Oi...not a good decision on my part. Resins failed under the heat and the material chunked off. BTW, EBC Redstuff did the same. Maybe it's something to do with red pads? hmmmm Jeff 90 535i ----- Original Message ----- From: "john grills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mark Gold'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] <misc> Mintex red box dust? > Depends how hard you lean on them ;-) > > It's my understanding that they are for street use only, so I'm guessing > they would not hold up well under heat. > > I agree with all the other folks, they are a real nice product. Real > quality > manufacturing. > > Cheers. > > John Grills > National Capital Chapter > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Gold > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:11 PM > To: Gold Mark > Cc: UUC Digest > Subject: Re: [UUC] <misc> Mintex red box dust? > > Do you think the Akebono pads would be OK for the occasional autocross? > > On 14-Mar-06, at 6:39 PM, Dave Thomas wrote: > >> On Tuesday 14 March 2006 14:25, Mark Gold wrote: >>> I haven't used Mintex, but I am using EBC Greenstuff up front, and >>> they dust pretty bad. It may be partially related to my ATE >>> Powerdiscs which are slotted. I plan on trying a different brand (I >>> also have heard good things about Akebono) when these wear out. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Mark Gold >>> Sacramento Valley Chapter BMWCCA >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> I have not found the Greestuff's to dust bad at all....especially when >> I tossed them in the trash ;-) Cant stand those pads. Terrible on the >> E30. I went from the Greestuff's to Akebono ceramics and really like >> the Akebono's. >> Great street pads. >> >> Dave T. >> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/ >> [email protected] >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> ____ >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW >> CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short > Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:06:29 -0500 From: Bill Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tire Pressure Monitoring System. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Neil - This may be too late, but I can offer some (unfortunately, negative) buying information. I put an Intellivalve system in my E46 M3 in the summer of 2004. This one has the senders in the valve stems and comes complete with pressure and temperature monitoring/alarms on the digital readout. The original unit never functioned well. One wheel would take 10 minutes or more to register - and then wouldn't always do it. You have to send all four sensors back when this happens, so that was 4 extra tire removals/reinstalls (they did NOT offer to reimburse me for them but they did readily exchange the defective unit). The next set worked well. Good information that seemed to match various gauges and the temps seemed in line too. Quite fascinating to watch pressures vary with temps. Unfortunately one wheel went dead after about a year. (I assume from a dead battery, but...) Not being willing to take all 4 tires off again I left it alone. Then this winter the fronts (almost exclusively) would lose pressure rapidly at 60+mph in sub-freezing temps before the tires warmed up. As soon as the tire temp hit the 50s (or so - I can't actually tell you for sure ) all would be fine and they would hold any pressure with no problem. The system was good in that it told me about these leaks very quickly so there was time to react! Unfortunately the system appears to have been the problem. Exhausting all other options I finally pulled the two fronts out (more $$$) and then when the rears had to be replaced pulled those two senders too and have had no more leaking troubles since. I know that Tire Rack sells one that has the sender mounted to the inside of the wheel (so you don't have to worry about its impact on your valve stems), but I have no experience with it and you have to pay extra for a digital readout. IF I were to do this again I certainly would NOT buy the Intellivalve system again. As always, your mileage may vary. It is definitely recommended for folks who are prone to tire problems or who do not check their tires regularly or who are information junkies. As always, YMMV and this is a survey sample of 1! - Bill ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
