The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 215 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: bicycles, Emission, etc <WOT>Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Re: <WOT>Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Re: <WOT>Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Re: bicycles, Emission, etc <E36 M3> Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Re: <E36 M3> Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Re: <E36 M3> Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Re: <WOT> bicycles, Emission, etc bicycles and electric cars and trains and stuff Re: E36 M3 4-Door Windshield Replacement
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:56:03 -0700 From: "RussC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Determining job selection due to paranoia of accidents from increased car time is...well...just that, paranoia. Actually, your going in reverse commute from peninsula to east bay on the bridges. Ive done this commute, and is way better than it used to be, especially with the improvments to San Mateo bridge. RussC -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [bmwuucdigest] digest(3 messages) I don't consider working jobs on the East Bay because they are simply uncommutable if I value a clean driving record, while from SF to San Jose are easily reached from anywhere on the Peninsula via Caltrain and Bicycle. While I can't consider living on the East Bay because BART prohibits bicycles during any reasonable hour that people would be commuting to work. Barry OBMWC I-drive, must have been made up by the same consultant who named the Toyota "Camry" (mycar) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:16:07 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RussC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: <WOT>Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :-) Even though one may be paranoid, what is someone really is after them? :-) The reverse commute is is doable on an occasional basis, to commit to do it M-F is more broken field running and dealing with yaya dodge-bumper street racer types than my nerves could deal with. Coming from farther south, my route is out 237E to 880N at the new interchange, and the merge with traffic from metering lights on the R and commuter lanes on the L with medium heavy but moving along rush hour traffic is lunacy. Then deal with slowdowns and merges from two bridge intersections going north leaves me wishing for Speed Racer's hydraulic flying car launchers. Maybe I'm spoiled by being settled in the the car being last, not first choice for means of transportation, or 20 years of metro NY area traffic left like a childhood trauma that I'll do anything not to relive? Cycling passion had similar problems to BMW affections. One bicycle leads to another, first the road, then the MTB, the commuter, the spare, a vintage or all the way to a museum level antique, and keeping and maintaining a small fleet of bicycles has its similar tribulations as multiple car households. Barry RussC wrote: >Determining job selection due to paranoia of accidents from increased car >time is...well...just that, paranoia. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:10:43 -0400 From: "Andy Messer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <WOT>Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, so Indiana is not exactly a grand destination, but my commute in a car is 10 minutes with stoplights, and 15 on my bike. Worst part is 75 degF and 70% humidity at 7:30 am, but showers at work can fix that. Oh, and yes...I have actually attenuated my car stuff to buy more bikes. I like bikes. One full bay of my garage has been taken over by bikes and the requisite shop tools. I did make a 2" receiver hitch and bike rack for my 7er. I get all kinds of funny looks pulling up to a trail head when people see a big fat 7er with four bikes in tow. Andy 01 740i -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:16 PM To: RussC Cc: [email protected] Subject: <WOT>Re: [UUC] bicycles, Emission, etc :-) Even though one may be paranoid, what is someone really is after them? :-) The reverse commute is is doable on an occasional basis, to commit to do it M-F is more broken field running and dealing with yaya dodge-bumper street racer types than my nerves could deal with. Coming from farther south, my route is out 237E to 880N at the new interchange, and the merge with traffic from metering lights on the R and commuter lanes on the L with medium heavy but moving along rush hour traffic is lunacy. Then deal with slowdowns and merges from two bridge intersections going north leaves me wishing for Speed Racer's hydraulic flying car launchers. Maybe I'm spoiled by being settled in the the car being last, not first choice for means of transportation, or 20 years of metro NY area traffic left like a childhood trauma that I'll do anything not to relive? Cycling passion had similar problems to BMW affections. One bicycle leads to another, first the road, then the MTB, the commuter, the spare, a vintage or all the way to a museum level antique, and keeping and maintaining a small fleet of bicycles has its similar tribulations as multiple car households. Barry RussC wrote: >Determining job selection due to paranoia of accidents from increased car >time is...well...just that, paranoia. > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:53:33 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <WOT>Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bart, Caltrain, Samtrans, bay area, traffic, 101, 880, bla bla bla It's been almost a year since I took my BMWs and left the SF bay for the more laid-back southern Michigan zone. Thank you gentlemen for reminding me what a good decision that was! I do miss the autocrosses though. On a sadder note, I haven't driven my spiffy green e30 ragtop in almost a year either. I just haven't had the time. On the upside, I now have an in-law connection to a really good body shop that can finally fix that dented fender that I've had for what, 6 years now? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:52:09 -0700 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is probably not the place for me to rebut/respond to Barry's comments, so slap my wrist. >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:29:27 -0700 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Brian Ghidinelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: uucdigest <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: bicycles, Emission, etc >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > That Colma to SFO pointlessness of redundancy paralleling the same >routes that Caltrain already runs? The Metropolitan Transportation Commission completely fails at what should be one of their primary tasks - eliminating the duplication between Bay Area transit systems. When SamTrans (San Mateo Transit) said they wanted to pay to build BART to SFO, eliminating the duplicate CalTrans service should have been a requirement. But in general, CalTrain brings South Bay and Peninsula residents to San Francisco and SFO, and BART brings East Bay and San Fransciso residents to the same two destinations. The overlap is just between SF and the airport. For those who don't live around here, San Francisco International is not in San Francisco. >that is bankrupting SamTrans due to >lower than BART's predicted and promised ridership figures, Predicted, yes. Promised, no. BART never promised those ridership figures. The estimates were made by the consulting firm that did the environmental impact report. SamTrans did not have to agree with the report, but they accepted it. Now they don't want to honor their agreement to pay for the service. Some of my BART co-workers and I never believed the ridership predictions. But we're not the ones who make the policy-level decisions, thank goodness. >partly due >to the rediculousness of what it takes to BART to SFO because the people >who designed and built it don't use the system themselves so failed to >put the BART stop at SFO's main concourse same as where you can get >dropped off by a car, but out in who know where what level somewhere >parking deck with bus transfers and more time delays and extra luggage >schlepping at each point. First, the location was negotiated with the airport, and public hearings were held when the location was proposed. The designers were stuck with the station location that resulted from that political process. Second, the station is right next door to the international terminal - convenient if you're leaving the country. Third, the airport also implemented their AirTrain around teh time the BART extension opened. It is not that difficult to take your luggage up one level to the AirTrain, which serves all the terminals. I liked it a lot better than parking and dragging my luggage from the parking garage to the terminal. <snip> > I don't consider working jobs on the East Bay because they are >simply uncommutable if I value a clean driving record, while from SF to >San Jose are easily reached from anywhere on the Peninsula via Caltrain >and Bicycle. While I can't consider living on the East Bay because BART >prohibits bicycles during any reasonable hour that people would be >commuting to work. > >Barry There are no bicycle restrictions on the Fremont to Richmond route, and none from Bayfair to Dublin/Pleasanton in the reverse commute direction. Housing is generally less expensive in the East Bay than on the Peninsula or in the South Bay. If you find the right job in the right location, you can make it work just fine. BART is certainly not perfect. I'm just suggesting that some of this criticism is mis-directed. OBMWC: I drive to/from the BART station in my E30. I love driving but hate commute traffic. By taking BART, I avoid traffic jams and higher parking fees. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:02:59 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: bicycles, Emission, etc Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh the violence! Well, if you insist, I'll dig out that large wet trout stuffed somewhere in an old IRC program to slap you with, else maybe sit you in the comfy chair, the type that doesn't exist on BART but does on Caltrain, and poke you with the soft cushion, stuffing all up one end, LOL. BART vs. the rest of the mass transit universe will still be at war long after the Mideast conflicts are seen as a bunch of people going to pointless wars because other people won't worship the same way they do, when its the same God up there for all of us, so what's everyone fighting about? But BART vs standard gauge standard mass produced railway equipment? Yikes. One local councilman well versed on the overall situation was to be on a panel at a Commonwealth Club sponsored seminar. The rest ofthe panel was from the view equating the San Jose to Fremont with a BART link, not allowing any other option to be mentioned in the same breath. Turns out through a husband and wife conflict of interest, one high up in the Commonwealth Club, the other with a high vested political interest in the BART or nothing view, they effectively lynched the local councilman from being on the panel in order to censor presentation of BART as being only one of other all less costly options, and replaced him with a puppet as programmable for their special interests as some national elected officials are to oil and tobacco companies. Down here in Santa Clara County, we see what's happening in San Mateo County from that BART to SFO lawsuits and fiasco, and want no part of all federal funding and transit money getting sucked into black hole BART. For those elsewhere in the country, a ride on BART of more than a few stops is like being trapped in the NYC subway on the worst day in the worst noisiest squeeky car ad nauseum, versus Caltrain, a nice smooth ride, ongoing modernization of equipment, many options for local, express, and bullet routes, and 10 trip and monthly fares for frequent riders, while BART makes you use a magnetic pass card that you put money into the machine for and must hassle through the turnstiles on every trip. BART from SF to Dublin? NYC subway from Yankee Stadium to Yaphank, Long Island? Btw, last time I tried to BART with my bike to Dublin Pleasanton from SF during afternoon rush hour, I was not allowed onto the platform by a BART cop. I don't like BART as badly as I _don't _like _Spam. But if I could earn a living working for a well managed government monolith with oodles of funding and no reason ever to want to look for another job, BART would be on my short list of places never to turn down. Being on a local BPAC which deals with funded transit programs, the BART and county wide issues have direct impact on the projects we can persue. Where is this headed? We're too far off topic now so somewhere other than continuing this thread on this elist. If bicycle/ mass transit/ non-motor vehicular issues interest other list subscribers, I recommend joining onto the lists for the Silicone Valley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and San Francisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bicycle Coalitions. Barry Scott & Charlotte Miller wrote: >This is probably not the place for me to rebut/respond to Barry's >comments, so slap my wrist. > > >>Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:29:27 -0700 >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Brian Ghidinelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Cc: uucdigest <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: bicycles, Emission, etc >>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> That Colma to SFO pointlessness of redundancy paralleling the same routes >> that Caltrain already runs? >> >> >The Metropolitan Transportation Commission completely fails at what >should be one of their primary tasks - eliminating the duplication >between Bay Area transit systems. When SamTrans (San Mateo Transit) >said they wanted to pay to build BART to SFO, eliminating the >duplicate CalTrans service should have been a requirement. But in >general, CalTrain brings South Bay and Peninsula residents to San >Francisco and SFO, and BART brings East Bay and San Fransciso >residents to the same two destinations. The overlap is just between >SF and the airport. For those who don't live around here, San >Francisco International is not in San Francisco. > >>that is bankrupting SamTrans due to >>lower than BART's predicted and promised ridership figures, >> >> >Predicted, yes. Promised, no. BART never promised those ridership >figures. The estimates were made by the consulting firm that did the >environmental impact report. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <E36 M3> Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Group, Has anyone had any issue with a set of new Hawk HPS pads being too thick when installed with a new set of rotors? I just installed the above with a new pair of Brembo rotors and 3 stops into the bedding procedure the hot brake smell was overwhelming. I did notice while installing that it took more force than usual to get the caliper over the rotor. I assumed the rotor just was not seated perfectly and installing the wheel would square everything up...apparently not. On the way back to the house the car was noticeably slowing on its own while coasting in neutral. The calipers are freshly rebuilt (pistons were beautiful), the soft lines are new Stop-Tech's and the system was bled and flushed very carefully. Everything worked great before the "upgrade" so I am at a loss. Matt '95 M3 with blue tinted rotors __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:03:01 -0400 From: "Ben Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt Weimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36 M3> Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might just be the wrong pads. I got a set of what were supposed to be STi Hawks but were in fact Evo Hawks, which are a critical 2-3mm thicker IIRC. I got thru two turns of bedding them in on the track & realized something was wrong. like the rotors were glowing cherry red wrong. pulled 'em (very carefully) and ran the track day w/stock pads. Hawk sent out the correct pads overnight in order to make my track event at the Glen the following weekend. don't know if there's a same-shape, thicker pad fitment which could be your problem, but it's always possible. remove them & measure. if they're too thick they'll still be too thick. Ben Matt wrote: > > Has anyone had any issue with a set of new Hawk HPS > pads being too thick when installed with a new set of > rotors? > > I just installed the above with a new pair of Brembo > rotors and 3 stops into the bedding procedure the hot > brake smell was overwhelming. I did notice while > installing that it took more force than usual to get > the caliper over the rotor. I assumed the rotor just > was not seated perfectly and installing the wheel > would square everything up...apparently not. > > On the way back to the house the car was noticeably > slowing on its own while coasting in neutral. The > calipers are freshly rebuilt (pistons were beautiful), > the soft lines are new Stop-Tech's and the system was > bled and flushed very carefully. > > Everything worked great before the "upgrade" so I am > at a loss. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:24:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36 M3> Front brake pad and/or rotor issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mayb this is unrelated, but I have noticed at least one company, Ferodo is listing 2 seperate pad numbers for the E36/E46 front calipers. On the 325/328 E46 they supposedly use the same caliper as the E36, yet I noticed two pad numbers depending on which model you look at. And guess what the difference appears to be: thickness. The one for the E46 application is a bit thicker IIRC. Maybe Hawk has done the same thing? David Ellsworth -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jul 31, 2006 12:03 AM >To: Matt Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36 M3> Front brake pad and/or rotor issue > >might just be the wrong pads. I got a set of what were >supposed to be STi Hawks but were in fact Evo Hawks, >which are a critical 2-3mm thicker IIRC. I got thru two turns of >bedding them in on the track & realized something was wrong. >like the rotors were glowing cherry red wrong. pulled 'em (very >carefully) and ran the track day w/stock pads. Hawk sent >out the correct pads overnight in order to make my track >event at the Glen the following weekend. > >don't know if there's a same-shape, thicker pad fitment >which could be your problem, but it's always possible. >remove them & measure. if they're too thick they'll still >be too thick. > > >Ben > >Matt wrote: >> >> Has anyone had any issue with a set of new Hawk HPS >> pads being too thick when installed with a new set of >> rotors? >> >> I just installed the above with a new pair of Brembo >> rotors and 3 stops into the bedding procedure the hot >> brake smell was overwhelming. I did notice while >> installing that it took more force than usual to get >> the caliper over the rotor. I assumed the rotor just >> was not seated perfectly and installing the wheel >> would square everything up...apparently not. >> >> On the way back to the house the car was noticeably >> slowing on its own while coasting in neutral. The >> calipers are freshly rebuilt (pistons were beautiful), >> the soft lines are new Stop-Tech's and the system was >> bled and flushed very carefully. >> >> Everything worked great before the "upgrade" so I am >> at a loss. >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:44:24 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <WOT> bicycles, Emission, etc Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <rant on> Yes, I've biked to work, (only 3xs because I nearly did get hit ON All OCCASIONS... and one of those times was a different job w/ a much different route!) I ended up in the weeds (literally) those three times, but that's what I get for trying to ride the back roads to the back roads (old farm roads) in the most densely populated state in the nation (NJ)... Besides my near death experience from someone sipping a mocha-frappichino-grande while talking on a cell phone, If I tried to take a train from my house (which is on a NJTransit line) to my parents house on a different NJT line, it would take approximately 1.75-2hrs and cost ~$25. The same DRIVE would be 35 min. and cost about $3 in gas... the bus and Train lines are only set up to take commuters into and out of NY City (or if you go far enough south, Philly). Only recently has a line been added to connect EWR to trains, but I'd have to transfer 2 or 3 times to get there (and the cost would still be more than parking for a week and take 2-3xs longer to do... I could not imaging lugging the gear for a ski week that way!) I would LOVE to ride to work, but I commute with a coworker (only sometimes, b/c each of us is EXPECTED to work overtime...) The ride would be 50 mi one way (which is doable, even with the hills), but I must tell you after this weekend's ride at 94F w/ 80% humidity, the ride home would probably kill me... This week we are supposed to be lows @70F (at 5am or so) and highs near 100F with that much humidity... Anyone ever ride in that? (I don't anymore!) Now don't get me wrong, I love to bike (so does my wife)... we each have a road bike and mountain bike... I do 30-40 mi road rides with some serious hills... but I find myself more and more on single tracks due to the minivan/SUV drivers talking on the phone, yelling at the kids, and drinking something... I find myself only in packs of 3 or more on the road (the protection in numbers thing seems to work as I haven't been forced off the road yet that way) The only US city I've seen that comes CLOSE to a European city for mass transit is NYC... but has anyone ever been standing on a platform while going to work when its about 120F down there? Not a fun experience. <rant off> OK I feel better now. -Jason (Not missing work in NYC anymore) '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" > OK, so Indiana is not exactly a grand destination, but my commute in a car is > 10 minutes with stoplights, and 15 on my bike. Worst part is 75 degF and 70% > humidity at 7:30 am, but showers at work can fix that. > > Oh, and yes...I have actually attenuated my car stuff to buy more bikes. I > like bikes. One full bay of my garage has been taken over by bikes and the > requisite shop tools. I did make a 2" receiver hitch and bike rack for my > 7er. I get all kinds of funny looks pulling up to a trail head when people > see a big fat 7er with four bikes in tow. > > Andy > 01 740i ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:53:45 -0400 From: "Ryan Brenneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: bicycles and electric cars and trains and stuff Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe Here in Charlotte, NC we are building a new light rail system. It is already way over budget and the first line isn't even complete yet. By the time the first line is complete it will have cost around 700 million to build after being "sold" to us as only going to cost 400 million. Then you add the operating costs and the first line is already being called a billion dollar boondoggle. The next atrocity is that each passenger riding the line will be subsidized by the taxpayer to the tune of $3.50 per ride. And according to a pre construction poll asking "If the train picked you up at your door and delivered you to exactly where you wanted to go would you ride it?" where 96% of the respondents said no, there will be very few passengers. Then add that the line doesn't really go anywhere. The major population areas to the south end of town are a couple of miles to the east and west of the end of the line. So to ride the train one would have to drive to the station at the end of the line find someplace to park in the horribly insufficient amount of parking planned and then wait and ride the train uptown. Of course that is assuming you work uptown. Our bus situation is worse with it taking hours to get anywhere by bus that isn't downtown. And I can't count the times I have seen buses running with no one on board. Now I am not against conservation and fuel economy and such but there are sane ways to do this. I also remember the C&D article where they calculated it would be cheaper to give everybody with a car older than 1986 a brand new car than to clean up new cars further. As far as car club people are concerned they tend to keep their cars up much better than the typical driver and would tend not to have as bad emissions. To raise the CAFÉ standards for the automakers sounds kind of easy but in reality you can only squeeze so much more efficiency out of modern IC engines. To get higher MPG cars will have to become lighter and smaller. If they become lighter they will become more expensive as more exotic materials are used. If they become smaller you are starting to trade safety for better emissions. Even if they go the lighter route if you have two similar sized vehicles having an accident with one being a newer lighter model, that newer car and its' unlucky passengers will take the brunt of the impact. Advantage: older heavier car. Just imagine a wreck with an older large SUV. A person in a small light car would not stand a chance. Just too much force involved. As far as riding a bicycle around here they just dismissed all charges against the city bus driver who killed a cyclist by turning left in front of him. More people are doing it but how safe is it? With most of Charlotte's suburban roads being remnants of the farm to market roads of old they are narrow and tree lined. Not much room for cars and bikes to coexist. RB Wouldn't mind riding but like living to much. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:05:12 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 M3 4-Door Windshield Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've heard good things about PPG glass relative to BMW glass as well. However, in this case, orginality is way more important to the owner. Stan > From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > IMO, you want PPG-branded glass. A bit more "chip resistant" than BMW > glass. Otherwise, exactly the same. > ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
