The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 239 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E36 Brake Question Re: E36 Brake Question Re: Decisions, decisions Re: Decisions, decisions Re: [bmwe39] RE: Decisions, decisions Re: Decisions, decisions Re: Decisions, decisions Re: Decisions, decisions Re: FS: 1990 325is (SF Bay Area) Re: [bmwe39] Decisions, decisions Re: E36 Brake Question Re: Decisions, decisions
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:43:41 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 Brake Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Make sure that new rotor is seated cleanly against the hub. Also, do you use old brake pads? What kind of pads are you using. You might be laying down deposits on the new rotors from your pads depending on pad type, and an uneven layer of deposit will feel like a warped rotor. imagine different levels of friction on different parts of the rotor. If you used old pads that were not in decent shape, you might have created some sort of hot spot during break in that warped the rotor, but the E36 rotors are generally pretty solid. I've lived without set screws for a while. Makes it a pain to remove wheels for brake work, etc, but the lug nuts hold the rotor in place when you put the wheel on. Just make sure it's on squarely. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Brake Question > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:34:07 -0400 > > > > > I only drilled off the head of the screw, just big enough to get the > rotor off. In the last 10k or so miles, the control arms and ball > joints were replaced (as well as the bearing on the driver side), the > rotors are new, I replaced the control arm bushings, sway bar bushings, > struts, strut hats... basically the entire front end. Coming back from > a golf outing last weekend, coming down a hill I had to get on the > brakes moderately hard and thought the damn car was going to shake > apart... It had been fine. I am thinking it has to be a warped rotor > or bent rim... Just making sure it's not something small. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Racing King > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Brake Question > > I used to drill the bolts out when they don't come off, but now I > realized that The rotors are made a certain way that the metal where the > screw sits is very thin. > A couple of blow behind the screw with a hammer will break the rotor > free, you can then use a vice grip or pliers to remove the screw. > > For your problem, when I used to drill the screw I never had any problem > with wobbling. How big a hole did you make in the hub??? > > Did the wobble happened right after changing the rotor? Did you clean > the hub before installing the rotor??? > > Bruno > Webmaster of the BMW E34 Website: www.bmwe34.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:17 AM > Subject: [UUC] E36 Brake Question > > > > > > > > Silly question... How important is that set screw on the front > rotors? > > I had to drill one out on side of the car, now I've got a wobble under > > moderate braking that I can't seem to find... Trying to figure out if > > I've warped a rotor, bent a rim, if it's that set screw missing, or if > I > > have something else going on... > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > __ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:15:07 -0400 From: "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 Brake Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I drilled the head off, but still couldn't get the rest of if out. It's rusted in there pretty good Either going to need to drill the rest of it out and and retap it, or replace that hub... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Jackson Jr. Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Brake Question Not important. They simply "set" the rotor in place until the wheel and wheel bolts fasten everything together. Of course, now you have to make sure the rotor is mounted flush and proper without the aid of that screw. BTW, if you drilled out the old one, why didn't you put a new on in? Stan > Silly question... How important is that set screw on the front rotors? > I had to drill one out on side of the car, now I've got a wobble under > moderate braking that I can't seem to find... Trying to figure out if > I've warped a rotor, bent a rim, if it's that set screw missing, or if > I have something else going on... Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:31:12 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No car has a better ride/handling balance than a BMW. The few Chargers I've rented (cheapie models) drove like complete crap. Felt like the shocks were disconnected and they pushed badly, horrible overall. Toyotas are for non car people. Gary Derian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'911/993/996'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'The FerrariList'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: [UUC] Decisions, decisions > So... Sigh. Need some input from the boys (and girls) on this one. > > My "daily driver" for the last, oh, 6 years or so has been an E38 BMW > 740iL, > 1995. I've gotten it up to 163k miles, mostly reliable. The usual E38 > problems, all addressed. Runs great, but its time is drawing near, > especially as someone (not moi) managed to rear end a truck yesterday with > it. Cosmetic damage, but probably $1500 worth. Dang, too bad, as I > loooooooove(d) this car. So, what do I do? > > 1. Fix it and keep driving it until it blows up. > > 2. Dump it for whatever it'll fetch (any ideas?), and buy one of the > following. For a "daily driver", I would like a "biggish" sedan, as I'd > much prefer to go on trips in it with my two young daughters and all their > stuff in a sedan (or wagon) than the big SUV or the minivan. > > > > 2A. 1999-2001 E38 BMW 740i SPORT. Asking prices seem to range between > $10k-$24k, with mileage between 75k-133k miles. Upside - I love the 740i > sport. I'd make sure that all of the known problem areas are addressed, > or > else take a reserve for it. Downside is that these are getting a bit old, > and miles are getting higher. > > 2B. E39 M5. Between $23k-$40k, mileage all over. Upside - hey, it's an > M5! Downside - wow, potential maintenance and repair costs are scary. > I've > already spent way too much on those friggin' Eyetaliano beasts, so really > not interested in adding another delicate beast to the fleet. > > 2C. Brand new Dodge Magnum R/T. $28k-ish. Upside - hey, 340 hp Hemi! > Possibly the Charger instead, but why not get the added utility of a wagon > too? (no, not the 350 hp Charger Daytona package, a little too garish for > my taste, methinks). Decent fuel economy. Fair bit of interior room (not > quite 740iL, but close to 740i I think), lots of room in the back, great > performance, new car warranty. Downside - not much, aside from the cost > and, well, it's a Dodge. How dependable is it? Depreciation is gonna > hurt? > > 2D. Brand new Dodge Magnum SRT-8. $35k-ish. Upside - hey, 425 hp Hemi! > REAL performance. Warranty, room, looks pretty cool too. Downside - > fairly > horrendous fuel economy (no variable displacement in SRT version, so big > mileage hit, grrr). And what will probably be a deal killer for me: the > $2100 gas guzzler tax. YOWWWWWWWWWWWZA!!!!!!! > > 2E. Brand new Toyota Avalon. $27k-ish. Upside - relatively fast, fairly > luxurious, and will run 200k miles with nothing but oil changes. Bullet > proof. Downside - FWD, and, well, it's a Toyota sedan. If only they (or > Honda) made a RWD equivalent, like a competitor to the > Charger/300C/Magnum, > and I'd be the first in line. > > > > 3. Get rid of the Bimmer, and just use the wife's 996 as a daily driver. > No room for kids, but way cool ride. Could put snow tires on the spare > set > of rims (currently running slicks for track outings), and take out PFC-97 > race pads and install OEM pads. Kinda shame to put the mileage on it > (only > 43k miles right now), but the thing has been BULLETPROOF to date, and also > a > shame to just let it sit in the garage. Upside - no money outta pocket, > baby! > > > > 4. Anyone have another good suggestion? I've never been attracted to > Mercedes-Benz. The Bangle-ized 745/750 is wwwwaaayyy ugly. Blech. The > Audi A8 is pretty sweet, but I like RWD, and it's too pricey for my needs. > The Infiniti M45 sounds about right, but too expensive for my purposes > right > now too (why oh why doesn't Nissan have a version of the M45? Or make the > Maxima in RWD??). Had an E39 BMW 528iT wagon, and loooooved it, but just > too small for this purpose (hence another strike against the M5, and why > the > Infiniti G35 isn't on the list). The older I get, the less I care about > "prestige", and the more I like "no hassle". Though I still like to drive > vehicles I enjoy (hence, no Lexus LS on the list). > > Anyway, that's where I stand. Any thoughts would be appreciated! > > Vty, > > --Dennis > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:54:57 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gary wrote: >No car has a better ride/handling balance than a BMW. The few Chargers I've rented (cheapie models) drove like complete crap. Felt like the shocks were disconnected and they pushed badly, horrible overall. >Toyotas are for non car people. ========== >From the reviews I've read, the R/T and SRT versions are significantly improved in terms of ride and handling. Haven't gone for a test drive, may do it this weekend. Agreed, nothing feels better than the BMW, which is why I'm considering the E38 7 series (oh, if only the 745i wasn't so GD ugly, and if it didn't have iDrive. Actually, I could probably live with the iDrive. Just can't stand looking at the thing!). The appeal of the Toyota really lays in the "turn-the-key, change the oil, replace the tires and pads and drive it for 200k miles" aspect of it. I forgot to mention, the bulk of the driving is for my daily commute on the highway, 60 miles round trip (averaging 25 minutes each way, which is saying something considering I live just outside of Boston). And it's gotta handle better than the Armada or the Odyssey! Still, that's why I wish Toyota took the LS430 chassis, left out most of the luxury/electronics convenience items and gee-gaws - but left in the drivetain, stuck a Toyota badge on it, and sell it for, oh, $37k. Heck, there would be enough room left in the price for aftermarket shocks, springs, tires.... They could not keep enough of them in stock. Vty, --Dennis Maybe BMW-less soon? Congestionville, Massachusetts ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:21:44 -0700 From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [bmwe39] RE: Decisions, decisions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > better than the Armada or the Odyssey! Still, that's why I wish Toyota took > the LS430 chassis, left out most of the luxury/electronics convenience items > and gee-gaws - but left in the drivetain, stuck a Toyota badge on it, and > sell it for, oh, $37k. Heck, there would be enough room left in the price > for aftermarket shocks, springs, tires.... They could not keep enough of > them in stock. Sounds to me like a Toyota Riez. $30K, based on the same underbits as the GS and Crown. In China you can buy a Lexus (if you've got the money to spend on the name) or a Toyota Crown (the most expensive of the Toyota-branded big cars) or the Riez (which is sportier than the Crown, a very nice shape, and about 40% cheaper.) John. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:46:23 -0400 From: "Russell Highton Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I affectionately refer to Toyotas as "Pillow Cars" :-) Definitely not for me, too isolated, soft and boring. I'm not sure the Chrysler is going to drive as nice as a bimmer either. -Russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:05:59 -0400 From: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The MR-2 and MR Spyder are less pillowy. Actually quite fun cars. I owned second gen turbos. For early nineties technology they offered some interesting innovations. Matt Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Highton Jr" >I affectionately refer to Toyotas as "Pillow Cars" :-) Definitely not > for me, too isolated, soft and boring. > -Russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:21:51 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matt wrote: >The MR-2 and MR Spyder are less pillowy. Actually quite fun cars. I owned second gen turbos. For early nineties technology they offered some interesting innovations. ============ Yeah, which is why Toyota no longer sells them (or the Celica, for that matter)! :-) Given how much cubic yen Toyota pumps into its F1 team, it's fairly amazing that they don't sell any sports or even sporty cars. I know they're planning on releasing a Lexus-branded quasi-super car, but I'm thinking it's more of an M6 or XKR competitor, rather than a 911/turbo competitor. Toyota should, IMHO, not only offer a real exotic - its NSX equivalent, with a big V-8 and lots of revs putting out, oh, 450 hp or so - but also a true M3-type sports coupe/sedan, and maybe even a Lotus Elise like car (heck, buy Lotus lock stock and barrel! They're already using a Toyota motor!). Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:47:52 -0700 From: "Cyrus Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dave Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: FS: 1990 325is (SF Bay Area) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dave et al, The invoice from the body shop shows one hour spent to pull the right front support straight. Cyrus On 8/23/06, Cyrus Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave et al, > > I was under the impression that most people shy away > from cars with accident damage. That doesn't seem to > be the case judging from the responses. > > I'll confirm whether there was frame damage to the car. > > Cyrus > > On 8/22/06, Dave Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday 21 August 2006 10:13 pm, Cyrus Liu wrote: > > > One accident (rear-ended a minivan) which probably makes it > > > suitable only for track duty or for fun around town. > > > > Why is that? Is the chassis tweaked? > > > > Dave > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:09:50 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [bmwe39] Decisions, decisions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Miller wrote: >The costs of M5 parts aren't significantly different from other E39 V8 parts (or E38 parts...) It's nothing like a Ferrari, etc. Hmmm... The reason I mentioned the expense was due to a recent posting from a fellow E39 list member's summation of his M5 repair expenses (covered by CPO), around $12k, IIRC. An anomoly? >The Avalon is to my mind another of Toyota's anti-cars, it's an awful shape and the interior design is worse than BMW's recent efforts (which is a hard thing to manage.) The seats are flat, it's still Toyota's idea of a perfected Buick, 270HP or not. Yeah, that's about right! The perfected Buick! Boy, if I'm considering it, does that mean I'm getting REALLY old? :-) >> The Infiniti M45 sounds about right, but too expensive for my purposes >> right now too (why oh why doesn't Nissan have a version of the M45? >Because Nissan figures that anyone who can pay that kind of money won't want to shop in the Nissan store. Well, they sell the G35/350Z and the QX56/Armada, so why not a Nissan version of the M or the Q? :-) I didn't know that the M45 had about the same interior room as an E39. Thanks for the info - guess I should scratch that off the list. >You're willing to put up with an Avalon but not an LS400? Yup! Reason being that I don't mind sacrificing driving fun if the price is right, and a $27k Avalon is a darn sweet deal, in my book. If a NEW LS430 was below $35-37k, I'd probably be willing to take that hit. But if I'm going into the used market, it may as well be an E38 (which I do still love). >Used Lexus GS? Used Q45 (it's a big boat, but it's got the right bits if you don't mind the aesthetics.) Hmmm.... Interesting thoughts. I'll have to check the interior size of the GS, given your comment about the M45, but the Q45... Hmmmm... >I'm still partial to the Lincoln LS, '03-up has good motor, interior bland, great chassis, not as bug-free as your typical Lexus but no worse (maybe better) than your typical BMW, roomier than an M45, cheap right now. I've rented them a few time (the V6), and found that they weren't that bad. Good bang for the buck, and probably more reliable than the BMW, but the interior is pretty cramped, IMHO. I guess this really does mean that the M45/GS is off the list. If I was willing to live with the "small" interior, I'd probably just say screw it and get an E39 M5. Thanks, John. Vty, --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:11:48 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 Brake Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not important. They simply "set" the rotor in place until the wheel and wheel bolts fasten everything together. Of course, now you have to make sure the rotor is mounted flush and proper without the aid of that screw. BTW, if you drilled out the old one, why didn't you put a new on in? Stan > Silly question... How important is that set screw on the front rotors? > I had to drill one out on side of the car, now I've got a wobble under > moderate braking that I can't seem to find... Trying to figure out if > I've warped a rotor, bent a rim, if it's that set screw missing, or if I > have something else going on... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:29:48 -0500 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> After reading all the other posts (on the UUC list only), I went back and read your original query. I don't have any experience w/all the cars you or others have mentioned, but it seems to me that keeping the 740iL may be the best option. $1500 of cosmetic damage is nothing at all. And, you have stated in this, and other posts, how much you enjoy the car. Then why replace it? The only thing I don't quite understand is your comment about its time drawing near. With only 163K and all the usual problems addressed, what's to happen? The next round of 'everything's breaking again?' This will be w/any used car, and maybe that's what you want to avoid. Don't know. I think we all get an itch for something new or different, regardless how much we like our present ride. But when I take a moment to think things through, I'm still happy w/my '87 325 w/251K and the '93 525iT w/284K. Just another free opinion. Clarence West Bend, WI Dennis Liu wrote: > So... Sigh. Need some input from the boys (and girls) on this one. > > My "daily driver" for the last, oh, 6 years or so has been an E38 BMW 740iL, > 1995. I've gotten it up to 163k miles, mostly reliable. The usual E38 > problems, all addressed. Runs great, but its time is drawing near, > especially as someone (not moi) managed to rear end a truck yesterday with > it. Cosmetic damage, but probably $1500 worth. Dang, too bad, as I > loooooooove(d) this car. So, what do I do? > > 1. Fix it and keep driving it until it blows up. > > 2. Dump it for whatever it'll fetch (any ideas?), and buy one of the > following. For a "daily driver", I would like a "biggish" sedan, as I'd > much prefer to go on trips in it with my two young daughters and all their > stuff in a sedan (or wagon) than the big SUV or the minivan. > > > > 2A. 1999-2001 E38 BMW 740i SPORT. Asking prices seem to range between > $10k-$24k, with mileage between 75k-133k miles. Upside - I love the 740i > sport. I'd make sure that all of the known problem areas are addressed, or > else take a reserve for it. Downside is that these are getting a bit old, > and miles are getting higher. > > 2B. E39 M5. Between $23k-$40k, mileage all over. Upside - hey, it's an > M5! Downside - wow, potential maintenance and repair costs are scary. I've > already spent way too much on those friggin' Eyetaliano beasts, so really > not interested in adding another delicate beast to the fleet. > > 2C. Brand new Dodge Magnum R/T. $28k-ish. Upside - hey, 340 hp Hemi! > Possibly the Charger instead, but why not get the added utility of a wagon > too? (no, not the 350 hp Charger Daytona package, a little too garish for > my taste, methinks). Decent fuel economy. Fair bit of interior room (not > quite 740iL, but close to 740i I think), lots of room in the back, great > performance, new car warranty. Downside - not much, aside from the cost > and, well, it's a Dodge. How dependable is it? Depreciation is gonna hurt? > > 2D. Brand new Dodge Magnum SRT-8. $35k-ish. Upside - hey, 425 hp Hemi! > REAL performance. Warranty, room, looks pretty cool too. Downside - fairly > horrendous fuel economy (no variable displacement in SRT version, so big > mileage hit, grrr). And what will probably be a deal killer for me: the > $2100 gas guzzler tax. YOWWWWWWWWWWWZA!!!!!!! > > 2E. Brand new Toyota Avalon. $27k-ish. Upside - relatively fast, fairly > luxurious, and will run 200k miles with nothing but oil changes. Bullet > proof. Downside - FWD, and, well, it's a Toyota sedan. If only they (or > Honda) made a RWD equivalent, like a competitor to the Charger/300C/Magnum, > and I'd be the first in line. > > > > 3. Get rid of the Bimmer, and just use the wife's 996 as a daily driver. > No room for kids, but way cool ride. Could put snow tires on the spare set > of rims (currently running slicks for track outings), and take out PFC-97 > race pads and install OEM pads. Kinda shame to put the mileage on it (only > 43k miles right now), but the thing has been BULLETPROOF to date, and also a > shame to just let it sit in the garage. Upside - no money outta pocket, > baby! > > > > 4. Anyone have another good suggestion? I've never been attracted to > Mercedes-Benz. The Bangle-ized 745/750 is wwwwaaayyy ugly. Blech. The > Audi A8 is pretty sweet, but I like RWD, and it's too pricey for my needs. > The Infiniti M45 sounds about right, but too expensive for my purposes right > now too (why oh why doesn't Nissan have a version of the M45? Or make the > Maxima in RWD??). Had an E39 BMW 528iT wagon, and loooooved it, but just > too small for this purpose (hence another strike against the M5, and why the > Infiniti G35 isn't on the list). The older I get, the less I care about > "prestige", and the more I like "no hassle". Though I still like to drive > vehicles I enjoy (hence, no Lexus LS on the list). > > Anyway, that's where I stand. Any thoughts would be appreciated! > > Vty, > > --Dennis ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
