The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 409 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: M Coupes Re: M Coupes Re: M30 Idle Quality Re: M30 Idle Quality Re: M30 Idle Quality Re: M30 Idle Quality Re: M30 Idle Quality Re: M Coupes Re: M Coupes
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:11:18 -0500 From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And I have to reply too. The '99-'00 S52-engined Coupes are in B Stock. The '01-'02 S54 Coupes are in A Stock. Of course I was referring to a street prepared car running against the 2006 National ASP winner. Results of individual events which do list the drivers' cars are here: http://solo.wdcr-scca.org/results/ And of course this has nothing to do with Alex's original post which was just seeking a price and the marketability of these cars. Woody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] M Coupes > You knew I could not resist replying... :^) > > At a National level, the car is in A Stock. That puts it up against the C4 > Corvette, 2005+ Honda S2000, Porsche 993, Boxster S, and the Solstice GXP > (very fast car for no bucks). > http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2006/stockm.html#BMW > or to see what is in A Stock: > http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2006/stockc.html > > At the regional level, like WDCR, it is competitive but not like the > previously mentioned cars (the results link you posted, unfortunately does > not list the cars, just the drivers). > > Going back into history: > 2006: > http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/Combined%20Nationals.pdf (no BMWs in > A Stock) > > 2005: > http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/File/2005SoloNationals-FINALresults.pdf > (no BMWs in A Stock) > > 2004: > http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/2004SoloNationalResults.pdf (Z4 cars > in B Stock) > > 2003: > http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/File/2003SoloNationals.pdf > Finally found a Coupe! But in 19th place. :^( > > As I said, it is a shame that it doesn't seem as competitive as it should > be. Typical with BMWs, the OEM alignments and adjustments hamper the car > (this is for the "Stock" classes folks, so all the fun stuff that you > *could* do are not legal for SCCA). As I looked at the classing link, the > car that Alex has could be interesting in B Stock, but the front running > car there these days are the Mazda RX-8s. Once you swap the motor (factory > directive due to engine coking issues), the RX is very fast. Say Alex, > mind if I borrow that Coupe for 2007? :^) > > > Matt Murray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Matt, >> Not so great for SCCA autocrossing you say? In the highly competitive DC >> Region, SCCA, Brian Hair and Jason Becker campaigned an S52-engined Coupe >> and gave national competitors Michael Johnson and Rod McGeorge (both >> Z06s) a good run for their money in the ASP class. Yeah, the S54-engined >> cars (2001 and 2002) are faster at speeds above 60 mph. >> see: http://solo.wdcr-scca.org/results/2006Standings.php > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:50:09 -0500 From: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alex who? :^) Matt Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And of course this has nothing to do with Alex's original post which was > just seeking a price and the marketability of these cars. > Woody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:29:05 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Valve adjustment sensitivity, good engine ground and battery strap ground, new distributor cap and rotor, new main relay, keep the throttle plate clean, good temp sensors and the silver plugs. Every other plug I ever tried was just not as good. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:22:11 -0500 From: "john grills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Norm Grills (no relation) of the Bix Six Group gave some tips on this that worked well on my iX a while back. When I installed a DEC Cat and cone intake, the M20 started idling rough (higher flow?) so I set the valves towards the high end of spec (or higher, I forget). Same for the plug gap, and this made everything good again. I ran it this way from 160k-256k miles with no problems. Also, a good cleaning of the ICV never hurts. Cheers! John Grills NCC-BMWCCA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:30:17 -0600 From: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for the responses, guys. I just had the head rebuilt on my 535 and really worked over the engine bay with all new rubber bits and sensors and it idles better than it ever has. No problems here today, but as the consensus seems to suggest, it's still an M30. I was just curious about the idle quality in general, given that this was one of the issues that prompted BMW to develop the V8s as a replacement for the M30. Given their reputation for sweet running inline 6s, was the M30 really a dead-end for them? Does anyone know if a VANOS unit was ever attempted on it to better control combustion? Robert 1990 535i, 166k 2000 528i, 70k _________________________________________________________________ Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as fast as 1 year http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:14:01 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vanos was only used on twin cam engines. Changing the valve overlap is the main benefit of Vanos, something only possible with twin cams. I think the V-8 was developed because the M30 ran out of displacement and power. The M30 =>S38 development had run its course. Gary Derian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] M30 Idle Quality > Thanks for the responses, guys. I just had the head rebuilt on my 535 and > really worked over the engine bay with all new rubber bits and sensors and > it idles better than it ever has. No problems here today, but as the > consensus seems to suggest, it's still an M30. > > I was just curious about the idle quality in general, given that this was > one of the issues that prompted BMW to develop the V8s as a replacement > for the M30. Given their reputation for sweet running inline 6s, was the > M30 really a dead-end for them? Does anyone know if a VANOS unit was ever > attempted on it to better control combustion? > > Robert > 1990 535i, 166k > 2000 528i, 70k > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as > fast as 1 year > http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:35:42 -0800 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M30 Idle Quality Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gary, When you mentioned that the M30 idle issues are related to differences in cylinder pressure, what causes would attribute to that? I can understand issues with fuel due to injector variances but are there inherent issues with the design that contribute to this - manifold, etc? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] M30 Idle Quality > Vanos was only used on twin cam engines. Changing the valve overlap is > the main benefit of Vanos, something only possible with twin cams. > > I think the V-8 was developed because the M30 ran out of displacement and > power. The M30 =>S38 development had run its course. > > Gary Derian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Blakeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [UUC] M30 Idle Quality > > >> Thanks for the responses, guys. I just had the head rebuilt on my 535 and >> really worked over the engine bay with all new rubber bits and sensors >> and it idles better than it ever has. No problems here today, but as the >> consensus seems to suggest, it's still an M30. >> >> I was just curious about the idle quality in general, given that this was >> one of the issues that prompted BMW to develop the V8s as a replacement >> for the M30. Given their reputation for sweet running inline 6s, was the >> M30 really a dead-end for them? Does anyone know if a VANOS unit was ever >> attempted on it to better control combustion? >> >> Robert >> 1990 535i, 166k >> 2000 528i, 70k >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as >> fast as 1 year >> http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 >> >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:24:03 -0500 From: Bill Weismann - MSR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alex Cagann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List, Before I get flamed, this is me speaking as a dealer. I think that M Coupes are kickass little cars and my customers who have them love them. Alex, On a wholesale level, the car's worth, IMO, about $18k. If it's like new it could do $20-21k at Manheim or FAAO or out in Cali, and it could also run 4 times and not sell. They are rare cars that don't change hands very often and for something of a reason, they can grow hairs on your lot. They are a lot like Imola Red E38s, 5-Speed E32s, 540i Tourings, etc.. really cool cars for people like us, but cars that 98% of BMW buyers won't consider buying. They are rare for a reason, not too many people bought or wanted them when new, and as much as the owners of them now love em. I checked MMR and I only found one that sold this year or towards the end of last.. a 73k miler in what was probably Estoril (Better color for a M Coupe than black IMO and In My Experience) that did $16,500. Cali prices are, as you know, high. I'd say the car does in the $19s at the right auction, maybe low 20s on eBay after listing it a few times. If it were me, I'd find a home for it before I took it in. A friend of mine deals in primarially M cars down in Miami, his eBay id is "inmotive" and you might want to contact him for a buy figure. Sounds like a beaut but they can be a pain to sell. You're right to be careful. Bill Alex Cagann wrote: > Need an opinion from this list. I am reticent to put a hard value on this > car...it is being traded in to me on a 2000 M5 I have for sale. I have never > bought one, barely ever seen one on the road, and just want to be safe...and > frankly, I never hear these discussed on this list. Car is the following: > > 1999 M Coupe > 30k miles > Black on black with all options > > How do I evaluate this car? There are two on ebay, but I don't trust ebay > for crap. I could probably put a number on it, but will I sell it? I just > don't see them changing hands very often. I just don't see the demand for > this car. Definitely sounds like a fun car to have around for a bit, but I > do this for a living and don't want to take on something that will take > months to move. > > Alex > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:55:36 -0500 From: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: M Coupes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would do WDCR events if it wasn't for the five hour geographics involved. :^( With Nassau Coliseum at 55 minutes away, I go to those more often. My priorities are with the New England Region of SCCA, where there is a definite lack of Z3 M Coupes. Matt Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I only plan to autcross my M Coupe in local BMW and other organization > events. The WDCR events really are a big deal here (250+ entrants) and > I'll be co-driving a supercharged M Coupe in SM2 this year. > > Woody ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(9 messages) **********
