The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 410 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: CPO Question <E46> sedan brakes Re: CPO Question <E46> sedan brakes Re: CPO Question <E46> sedan brakes buying a 3-series touring Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching E34 touring rear headests
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:50:34 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPO Question <E46> sedan brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Female colleague in the office has an E46 325i sedan that I encouraged her to purchase used with a CPO warranty from the local dealer. She just came by my house at midnight with what looks like a sticking right front caliper. Wheel is too hot to touch, let alone the rotor where the left front is cold and I can touch the rotor with my fingertips. Squeals going forward, is silent going in reverse. plenty of pad visible on the outside pads on each front wheel. Car has 65K on it, well within warranty. Are brakes covered under that warranty? Will they try to sell her pads and rotors at high cost to make up the cost of the caliper pin or whatever is making the caliper stick? She might have driven on it long enough to crack the rotor, what effect, then? TIA, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:00:44 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CPO Question <E46> sedan brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Female colleague in the office has an E46 325i sedan that I encouraged > her to purchase used with a CPO warranty from the local dealer. > > She just came by my house at midnight with what looks like a sticking > right front caliper. Wheel is too hot to touch, let alone the rotor > where the left front is cold and I can touch the rotor with my fingertips. It sounds like a stuck caliper to me. If the car is still CPO'd it should be covered, including any other damage that may have been caused by the sticking caliper such as rotors and/or pads. I had two sticking front brake calipers replaced on my 00 M5 under CPO with no issues at all. Regards Jamie Howton 06 M Roadster 04 645Ci 95 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:37:18 -0800 From: "Brad Houser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Ed MacVaugh'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: CPO Question <E46> sedan brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brakes are covered, not the pads. There should have been 5mm of pad left based on the CPO checklist, so if there isn't she shouldn't have to pay if the wear was caused by the stuck caliper. http://www.bmwusa.com/cpo/benefits/warranty -- Brad Houser > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed MacVaugh > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:51 PM > To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [UUC] CPO Question <E46> sedan brakes > > > Female colleague in the office has an E46 325i sedan that I encouraged > her to purchase used with a CPO warranty from the local dealer. > > She just came by my house at midnight with what looks like a sticking > right front caliper. Wheel is too hot to touch, let alone the rotor > where the left front is cold and I can touch the rotor with my > fingertips. > > Squeals going forward, is silent going in reverse. plenty of pad > visible > on the outside pads on each front wheel. > > Car has 65K on it, well within warranty. > > Are brakes covered under that warranty? Will they try to sell her pads > and rotors at high cost to make up the cost of the caliper pin or > whatever is making the caliper stick? > > She might have driven on it long enough to crack the rotor, what > effect, > then? > > TIA, > > Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:44:31 -0500 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: buying a 3-series touring Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello mighty list, Bambi is on her last legs (the head gasket is starting to leak and the torque converter is starting to slip... at 173,xxx miles. So I was starting to look at E46 Tourings, with a manual, preferably w/ sport package, and possibly as an ix... other than actually finding one on the dealer lot, what else should I look for (besides CPO)... are there any good FAQs or buyers guides out there? What are known weak points?... TIA! -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:50:51 -0600 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Given the recent thread on speeding, thought I would pass this along. American Family Insurance is offering free in-car cameras for families with a teen driver, free for a year. The article refers to a 'triggering event' such as hard cornering or abrupt stop, yet a it goes on to state that it caught one of the participants doing rolling stops..... Who sets the parameters for the triggering event? Will my BMW's cornering speed be dictated by data input for a Chevy Suburban boat? Using the data in a lawsuit is likely. Imagine the historical data that could be amassed and then used against a driver in a lawsuit. OBMWC: when I viewed the page, there was an ad from BMW. :-) Clarence - insured by........American Family West Bend, WI http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=571405 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:00:55 -0500 From: Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Clarence'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey, I'm as paranoid and libertarian as the next guy, if not more so. I absolutely abhor the idea of stop light cameras, etc. BUT. Let's consider this. We all seem to freak out at the though of police and insurance companies accessing black box data in our cars, post-accident. Why is that? Is that because, generally, we all speed and violate other laws, and don't want to get busted for it? (I'll be the first to raise my hand.) Consider the other point of view. Wouldn't you WANT to have black box data available to SUPPORT you, if you did not cause the accident? Wouldn't it be great if the data, or the in car camera, clearly showed that the OTHER party was at fault? These things cut BOTH WAYS. Similarly: Many of us have life and health insurance, right? We pay LESS in premiums if we are not smokers. Why? Because smokers tend to cost a lot of money to insure (both life and health). And because insurance companies can SEGREGATE smokers into a different risk category, and charge them a higher premium, NON-SMOKERS can save on their premiums. When you get down to it, this is how insurance works. With car insurance, premiums are predicated on a number of factors, the biggest ones being past record and age (read as: experience). But these are not particularly granular; drivers are lumped into broad categories, and charged accordingly. If insurance companies had a tool for better segmentation, then the safest drivers among us would be paying LESS. That's why at least one company has offered an OPTIONAL deal: allow us to install a special black box in your car, that measures a bunch of driving data. If this data shows that you are especially safe, you get a giant discount on your insurance. Seems reasonable to me -- even though, admittedly, if I had such a box, my premiums may well be much higher. Everyone, while we all have knee-jerk reactions sometimes, take a moment and think about things from the other point of view.... Just my $0.02. Vty, --Dennis -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clarence Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:51 AM To: UUC Digest Subject: [UUC] Big Brother is watching Given the recent thread on speeding, thought I would pass this along. American Family Insurance is offering free in-car cameras for families with a teen driver, free for a year. The article refers to a 'triggering event' such as hard cornering or abrupt stop, yet a it goes on to state that it caught one of the participants doing rolling stops..... Who sets the parameters for the triggering event? Will my BMW's cornering speed be dictated by data input for a Chevy Suburban boat? Using the data in a lawsuit is likely. Imagine the historical data that could be amassed and then used against a driver in a lawsuit. OBMWC: when I viewed the page, there was an ad from BMW. :-) Clarence - insured by........American Family West Bend, WI http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=571405 Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:45:30 -0600 From: "Dennis Wynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sounds like the DriveCam to me: http://www.drivecam.com/ A couple of years ago I saw the documentary that is mentioned here: http://www.cptv.org/local/special/TeensWheel.asp and tried to see about buying/renting a drivecam for my soon to be teen drivers. It was not available at that time, but I could maybe get in on the beta for $1,500 or so (ouch). You fix the "black box" to the window glass and it has/had a front camera that views the hood and road ahead as well as a driver's cam that shows what the driver is doing. They also record the in car audio. What is does is continuously record the video and audio in a first in, first out type buffer. Then if an "event" is triggered (too high g' in any direction, with the threshold patent settable) it saves off the video and audio for xx seconds BEFORE and after the trigger. So in the event of a wreck, you get to see/hear the before, during, and after. Pretty clever stuff. You hook up a laptop to the USB port on the black box and download all the events and watch/listen and plot graphs and stuff. The documentary was pretty eye opening showing the kids really being bad drivers. One kid with a Mini was the worst (if you were his parent), he would load it up and get "air" speeding over roads with dips. That kid didn't have a wreck, but some of the others in the documentary did - with the drivecam running. They STILL do not have this available to the general public yet, but it looks like they have gone to cell technology to upload the stuff out of the black box. So it "phones home" and then you can log into a web page and watch the vids and stuff. I ended up putting a Davis "Car Chip" in the car. It plugs into the OBDII port and records trips, engine load, speed, distance, g's (acceleration and braking only), and other stuff. They now have one with an alarm beeper - so you set it for 0.25g or whatever and 70mph or so and it beeps if that is exceeded rather than wait for the date to be downloaded and then be fussed at. Like the DriveCam it reports if someone tampers or unplugs it. So we would pull the chip from time to time and run reports and check things out. These can be used to pull codes and reset the CEL lights as well. http://www.davisnet.com/drive/products/carchip_products.asp There is another company that has a 4 axis version that you install under the seat that works in a similar manner but can detect high g turns as well. If my insurance company offered me the DriveCam and I had teen drivers, I would sign right up. Dennis On 2/28/07, Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given the recent thread on speeding, thought I would pass this along. > American Family Insurance is offering free in-car cameras for families > with a teen driver, free for a year. The article refers to a > 'triggering event' such as hard cornering or abrupt stop, yet a it goes > on to state that it caught one of the participants doing rolling stops..... > > Who sets the parameters for the triggering event? Will my BMW's > cornering speed be dictated by data input for a Chevy Suburban boat? > > Using the data in a lawsuit is likely. Imagine the historical data that > could be amassed and then used against a driver in a lawsuit. > > OBMWC: when I viewed the page, there was an ad from BMW. :-) > > Clarence - insured by........American Family > West Bend, WI > > > http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=571405 > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:45:26 -0600 From: "Dennis Wynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think my #1 question I would ask the insurance company is: Do you have access to this data? Do they see the videos and get the "report card" or just the parents and the teen driver? If the former, then I would be a little hesitant to sign up since they could decide your teen is a "bad driver" based on THEIR criteria and not yours. If they really are just trying to help, then they will not be looking - then it is between you and your teen. To answer Paul's concern (and yours), as shown on the documentary the limits could be set. With this insurance tie and other changes in the system over the last 2 years I could not say - you may have to use their limits. As to "false alarms" - if your teen has to slam on the brakes to avoid a car turning in front of them or running a light, the camera should see this - remember you get 30 seconds (or so) BEFORE the event and after. So your teen is cruising at 30mph and someone turns in front of them, they trigger an event with a brake or swerve. You see these - and congratulate your teen on a job well done. Now if they are going 60 in a 30 and have to lock them up it is a different story. Taking the on and off ramp and a higher rate (something I love to do) would be forgiven by me - but maybe a "slow it down" warning, while a high g turn like a bootlegger's turn at speed would not be. You watch the video, see what happened before and after and what was said. If your teen as a car load of friends and they dare them to do stuff - you hear it. If your teen says "watch this" and triggers an event, you will hear them say it. One of the humors parts of the documentary was about one of the teen girl drivers. She did not wreck and did not speed much, but she took corners "at speed" so she would set off the event trigger. Nothing real bad, just did not slow down as much as "normal" for curves in the road. One time when the download the data they watched the front cam video and sure it enough, nothing but swerves setting it off. But when they played back the in car video, it was HER FATHER driving the car! Seems he need to run an errand and took her car - and he drove the same, exact way. Clearly she "learned" that was proper from years riding with her Dad. I would hate to think what my kids learned from riding with me (hiding head in shame) :-) . Dennis On 2/28/07, Peter Loron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I was just reading this morning (WSJ? Not enough coffee yet) about > the DriveCam and AmFam insurance. It is abhorrent, but as a parent also > attractive. I know that _I_ pay more attention to obeying the rules when > I think there's a cop around, etc. I can see how it would promote good > behavior. Dunno what I'll do...although I've got abut 10 years to mull > it over. > > I agree 100% with Paul K's post...basically there's little incentive for > an insurance company to lower your rates. And they can set the criteria > for being a "safe" driver arbitrarily low. > > Also, "driving events" that may be unsafe for my kids driving a Tahoe on > all season tires in the rain may be perfectly safe for me in my M3 on > dry roads. There would need to be universal recording of vehicle > actions, conditions, etc and some kind of impartial judge (AI?) for that > to really work fairly. > > -Pete > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:42:26 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis, Let me take the paranoid libertarian view devil view (which I'm admitted good at). While your point is well taken (i.e., if you are a good driver, and the insurance company has data to support that, they will charge you less), a huge potential problem is that the decision is left to the insurance companies as to whether your driving is truly safe, and such a decision may be based on less than ideal data. While allowing the insurance companies to determine parameters for "safe" driving may be reasonable since they are the ones insuring our risk factors, the paranoid libertarian in me says that very, very, very few people who would actually benefit from this. It would be entirely too easy for the insurance companies to set "safe" driving criteria so low that, from a practical standpoint, only a miniscule number of people would meet the criteria. Remember, "safe" is a relative term. This would result in the perfect excuse to increase insurance premiums on the vast majority! of "safe" drivers. On top of this, there is no practical way to factor in many other variables which are just as (if not more) important to "safe" driving and the blackbox is likely to report inaccurate "unsafe" driving conditions. For instance, there is no way for a black box to know that you suddenly stopped at an intersection (where you had the right of way) because you were alert enought to see that another driver (who may otherwise be driving "safe") didn't see you and pulled out in front of you. To add insult to injury, your sudden braking to AVOID the accident may trigger an "unsafe" driving condition in the blackbox, thus actually penalizing you for avoiding the accident. There is no practical way for an individual to monitor and keep track of the "unsafe" driving alerts that the blackbox may record. Just another perspective. -Paul 95 M3 ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; UUC Digest <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:00:55 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] Big Brother is watching Hey, I'm as paranoid and libertarian as the next guy, if not more so. I absolutely abhor the idea of stop light cameras, etc. BUT. Let's consider this. We all seem to freak out at the though of police and insurance companies accessing black box data in our cars, post-accident. Why is that? Is that because, generally, we all speed and violate other laws, and don't want to get busted for it? (I'll be the first to raise my hand.) Consider the other point of view. Wouldn't you WANT to have black box data available to SUPPORT you, if you did not cause the accident? Wouldn't it be great if the data, or the in car camera, clearly showed that the OTHER party was at fault? These things cut BOTH WAYS. Similarly: Many of us have life and health insurance, right? We pay LESS in premiums if we are not smokers. Why? Because smokers tend to cost a lot of money to insure (both life and health). And because insurance companies can SEGREGATE smokers into a different risk category, and charge them a higher premium, NON-SMOKERS can save on their premiums. When you get down to it, this is how insurance works. With car insurance, premiums are predicated on a number of factors, the biggest ones being past record and age (read as: experience). But these are not particularly granular; drivers are lumped into broad categories, and charged accordingly. If insurance companies had a tool for better segmentation, then the safest drivers among us would be paying LESS. That's why at least one company has offered an OPTIONAL deal: allow us to install a special black box in your car, that measures a bunch of driving data. If this data shows that you are especially safe, you get a giant discount on your insurance. Seems reasonable to me -- even though, admittedly, if I had such a box, my premiums may well be much higher. Everyone, while we all have knee-jerk reactions sometimes, take a moment and think about things from the other point of view.... Just my $0.02. Vty, --Dennis -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clarence Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:51 AM To: UUC Digest Subject: [UUC] Big Brother is watching Given the recent thread on speeding, thought I would pass this along. American Family Insurance is offering free in-car cameras for families with a teen driver, free for a year. The article refers to a 'triggering event' such as hard cornering or abrupt stop, yet a it goes on to state that it caught one of the participants doing rolling stops..... Who sets the parameters for the triggering event? Will my BMW's cornering speed be dictated by data input for a Chevy Suburban boat? Using the data in a lawsuit is likely. Imagine the historical data that could be amassed and then used against a driver in a lawsuit. OBMWC: when I viewed the page, there was an ad from BMW. :-) Clarence - insured by........American Family West Bend, WI http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=571405 Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:34:54 -0500 From: "Gregory Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: E34 touring rear headests Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm going to retrofit rear headrests on my E34 touring, I managed to find sets at a yard in Switzerland when I was there earlier this month. VERY simple to do, I'll do a write-up and part numbers for the small plastic bits (some $10-20 at a dealer). The short benefit is that I have a spare set of rear headrests (three) surplus to my needs, in nice condition. They are grey leather, so easy to redye to match your interior. The covers remove easily (wrap and velcro), so you could also have redone by a local seat shop. Drop me an email if you want the "how to" in advance of my article in bmwe34.net. If you're interested in spare set of headrests, drop me an email. BMW NA wants more than $120 each, I'd be happy with significantly less -- and help someone with a nice & easy project. Gregory in Georgia ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(10 messages) **********
