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Volume 3 : Issue 513 : "text" Format

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  Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
  Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
  Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
  Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
  Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
  Re: adhesives
  adhesives
  Re: adhesives
  Re: adhesives
  Re: adhesives

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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:43:21 -0700
From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Great vintage super 8 footage of Germans (includign some in 2002s) going too 
> fast on the ring:
> 
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=640695539059738855&hl=en-GB

Yeah, that one went around a little while back.

That seems to be a great spot for filming lift-throttle oversteer.  The 
Bimmers wagged around a lot, the Benz just went off straight, but all 
the really entertaining moments were provided by ass-motor types - many 
with swing-axles.  Lots of VWs, Fiat 850s, NSU Prinzes, etc.

That gaggle of 02s - was it the BMW school or some kind of test?

I have to admit to being impressed with how well the VWs especially the 
Bugs hold up to rollovers.  Also how well the occupants held up given 
that seatbelt use seemed to be rather sparse.

The occupants of that Bug convertible get the 'There but for the grace 
of God go I' award.

John.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:13:06 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


I have to agree with Jay, the VW cabrio passengers must have christened
that ride with "brown stains of approval" (along with the motorcycle driver
hehe). What fools.
That blue Fiat or Alpha at about 2'50'' into the video was a graphic
illustration of how much better our cars are today. Both doors flew open
and proceeded to crumple and take out the B pillar during their glorious
death.
That 411VW driver seemed to be one of the few who knew how to handle his
rear engine pendulum.

-Kevin



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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:46:59 -0400
From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: "Ken Herskovitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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Subject: Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
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Awesome vid, thanks for the link.

My first thought was "here's a vivid example of how far tire technology has
come."

But then I found it all the more interesting that a number of the cars were
turning turtle on the pavement, not caught in the off-road dirt.  That's
more likely a combination of factors, soft sidewall/tall profile tires
flopping over, narrow wheels that provide a high psi of contact to catch,
and high ride height/soft suspension boingo-ing the chassis attitude
sideways.

That motorcyle rider may have needed to see a proctologist to have the vinyl
removed from his pucker.

The Beetle driver thrown out of the door and saved from being run over by
his own car by the luck of the dirt stopping the car?  Priceless.

The Beetle cabrio driver must have found himself immediately lonely.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Kenty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [UUC] Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring


> I love the VW convertible with three passengers- who probably regret
> their decision to trust that driver...
> Jay Kenty
> RI
>
> Kevin Kelly wrote:
> > Great vintage super 8 footage of Germans (includign some in 2002s)
> > going too fast on the ring:
> >
> > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=640695539059738855&hl=en-GB
> >
> > Kevin Kelly
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:28:33 -0400
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In those days, many considered those cars to be the "good handling European 
cars".  They all have swing axles and high roll center semi-trailing arm 
rear suspensions.
Gary Derian

> My first thought was "here's a vivid example of how far tire technology 
> has
> come."
>
> But then I found it all the more interesting that a number of the cars 
> were
> turning turtle on the pavement, not caught in the off-road dirt.  That's
> more likely a combination of factors, soft sidewall/tall profile tires
> flopping over, narrow wheels that provide a high psi of contact to catch,
> and high ride height/soft suspension boingo-ing the chassis attitude
> sideways.


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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:56:35 -0400
From: johngrills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: BMW BMW BMW BMW <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Vintage Footage of 2002s on the Ring
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Wow, those Beetles had pretty strong roofs, much like their counterparts 
in nature! Fun stuff. Gotta love seeing an old 412 VW Wagon out there on 
the 'ring. Takes me back.


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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:17:09 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: adhesives
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Roland,
I'd go with Gary and Karl on this one. If the tape is the 3M VHB series or
equivalent, it should be effective.

-Kevin



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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: roland beaudette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: adhesives
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thanks for all the suggestions.  My concern, which I
didn't state, was thermal cycling here in the NE.  Not
sure if the adhesive will hold up with hot 'n cold.

Cheers,

Roland


       
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:28:10 -0400
From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "roland beaudette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: adhesives
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'd be very surprised if 3M VHB doesn't hold up... but if it doesn't, there's 
always 3M UHB (as in ULTRA High Bond, but make sure its EXACTLY where you want 
it, as there is NO second chance with either VHB or UHB.)

-Jason
'86 951 "Sparky"
'70 240Z "Dusty"
'03 325xi "Daisy"
'06 Mini CooperS



> Thanks for all the suggestions.  My concern, which I
> didn't state, was thermal cycling here in the NE.  Not
> sure if the adhesive will hold up with hot 'n cold.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Roland



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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:45:53 -0400
From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: adhesives
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Should be OK.  The goo will flex.  They use that tape to hold skins on
busses and all kinds of stuff - the good tape is good stuff.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of roland beaudette
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [UUC] adhesives

Thanks for all the suggestions.  My concern, which I
didn't state, was thermal cycling here in the NE.  Not
sure if the adhesive will hold up with hot 'n cold.

Cheers,

Roland


       
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:44:09 -0500
From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "roland beaudette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: adhesives
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> So Ebay has cheap lip spoilers and I convinced myself
> that $25 was a low risk investment.  The spoiler is
> about 2" wide and uses two strips of double sided
> adhesive tape.

What I started to say yesterday before my office was flooded (5 inches
of rain in 45 minutes) is that the BMW lip spoilers come with a strip
of double sided 3M adhesive foam tape for mounting.  I bought one for
my 330i, stuck it on and it was very solid.  If you don't like the
tape that came with your spoiler, most auto parts stores sell a double
sided clear rubber 3M tape that sticks like no other tape I have used.

Regards

Jamie Howton

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