I guess I'd check at the inputs to the boiler--if there's current there, and no heat, then my thought is that the element is bad. Kitt?
b Sent from my apple IIe On Aug 23, 2014, at 13:06, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All > > So I swapped a new PID in place of the old one and the brew boilder is > still not heating up. > Temp is displaying correctly and the dot is lighting up to indicate it > should be heating up the boiler but no change in temp. > > Obviously there is a problem somewhere else. What can I check to try > and problem solve this, any suggestions? > > I do have a multimeter. > > JohnB > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Michael Endacott > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I've got wiring diagrams for the pid upgrade from WLL, I used them to >> understand the wiring but it's pretty simple stuff. >> >> the thing that confuses me is I thought all Gicar pids have to use the >> external SSR to control the boilers due to the amp requirement? >> >> >> >> >> On 22 August 2014 15:08, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Michael >>> >>> what a coincidence, I have one of those on order from eBay already as >>> I am building a sous-vide cooker for home using it :-) >>> >>> The one they gave me however is a 90-240AC input voltage, so I am >>> assuming that they connected it to the PID instead of the element >>> connection somehow. Just not sure exactly how to do it and don't want >>> to blow things up messing with the 220V if I don't know what I am >>> doing. >>> >>> JohnB >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Michael Endacott >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> This is the one I bought when I upgraded to Gicar PID and SSR >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400380577295?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT >>>> >>>> Key spec is >>>> >>>> Items: Solid State Relay >>>> >>>> Model: SSR-25 AA >>>> >>>> Input voltage: 80-250VAC >>>> >>>> Output voltage: 24-380VAC >>>> >>>> Output current: 25A >>>> >>>> Working voltage: 250V >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 August 2014 12:54, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> They gave me a Crouzet SSR, I believe this is the one that is supplied >>>>> by WLL as well. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have the WLL installation sheet? >>>>> >>>>> JohnB >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:34 PM, John Brinkman >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Interesting, I went to the suppliers to pick up a replacment Gicar >>>>>> PID >>>>>> and they advised that I install an external SSR as well to take over >>>>>> from the one in the PID. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately non of their techies were there so not sure exactly how >>>>>> to install it. Also trying to work out if I can just desolder the >>>>>> faulty SSR on the existing one and wire in the new one for that (much >>>>>> bigger than the small existing chip) >>>>>> >>>>>> Any suggestions? >>>>>> >>>>>> JohnB >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:33 AM, John Brinkman >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Ahhh, will take it apart and have a look Graeme. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Graeme Burton >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi John, I think all b3 came with an external ssr in Australia. >>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>> may be able to replace the relay in the PID if you can find one >>>>>>>> that matches >>>>>>>> the pcb holes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Graeme >>>>>>>> Original Message >>>>>>>> From: John Brinkman >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014 01:21 >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Suspected Brew Group Boiler Element >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think you are right Graeme, any way to fix a faulty relay in the >>>>>>>> PID >>>>>>>> or must I just replace? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I spoke to the local agent they said that they are installing >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> external SSR on the PID's as they have had quite a lot of them >>>>>>>> failing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Graeme Burton >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Sounds more like a u/s solid state relay - sticking off and on? >>>>>>>>> Could >>>>>>>>> also be the relay in the pid controller sticking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Graeme >>>>>>>>> Original Message >>>>>>>>> From: John Brinkman >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 22:26 >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Suspected Brew Group Boiler Element >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Guys >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a Brewtus III PID with a rotary pump/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Woke up this morning to my brew group boiler showing 99C, started >>>>>>>>> pulling a shot to check and was flash steaming as the water came >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> so suspect the reading was correct (set temp is 90c). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pulled some water through it for about 60 seconds and the temp >>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>> dropping. I switched my machine off left it for about 30 minutes >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> switched it on again. Steam pressure came up and the light for the >>>>>>>>> steam boiler went of, brew temp was sitting at 70c and the light >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> the PID was indicating that it was powering the brew element but >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> is no rise in temp. I switched the machine off altogether and left >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> the whole day, brew temp has dropped down to 30c when I switch it >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> and does not rise at all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would I be correct in assuming that this is probably a faulty brew >>>>>>>>> group element? >>>>>>>>> Anything else I should heck before dismantelling? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks JohnB >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "Brewtus" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "Brewtus" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Brewtus" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mike >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Brewtus" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Brewtus" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Brewtus" group. 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