Hi John, Only things left then are the p-stat switch and the element. I suggest you power off, disconnect a leg of the element and measure ohms across the element. You shoud have something like 20-40 ohms (not sure what power the element is).
Graeme On 24 Aug 2014, at 9:32 pm, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Graeme > > The steam boiler is working 100%, heats up no problem, no heat however > at the brew boiler. > > The machine is a Brewtus III-R with the blue PID. > > PID appears to be indicating the correct brew group temp and has the > light on to indicate it is requesting heater to work. > > When the machine initially went faulty the brew temp went up to 99C, I > assume because the relay got suck on, I switched the machine off and > the temp then dropped. I am not sure if perhaps something else was > damaged > > I replaced the PID and SSR but it is still not working. > > > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Graeme Burton <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi John, >> >> I guess you are sure there is no relay between PID output and the brew >> boiler? >> >> Contacts on the steam boiler p-stat enable and disable the brew element as I >> am sure you know. Are you able to confirm this is working properly - ie you >> have mains voltage on the p-stat normally open contact when the steam boiler >> has heated up? >> >> If you have mains voltage at one side of the element then if element OK you >> will have mains voltage at the other side. Can also measure resitivity of >> the element (disconnect a leg first and with power off of course). >> >> Graeme >> >> On 24 Aug 2014, at 4:49 am, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Will check it out Benjamin >>> d >>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> I guess I'd check at the inputs to the boiler--if there's current there, >>>> and no heat, then my thought is that the element is bad. >>>> Kitt? >>>> >>>> b >>>> Sent from my apple IIe >>>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 13:06, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All >>>>> >>>>> So I swapped a new PID in place of the old one and the brew boilder is >>>>> still not heating up. >>>>> Temp is displaying correctly and the dot is lighting up to indicate it >>>>> should be heating up the boiler but no change in temp. >>>>> >>>>> Obviously there is a problem somewhere else. What can I check to try >>>>> and problem solve this, any suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> I do have a multimeter. >>>>> >>>>> JohnB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Michael Endacott >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> I've got wiring diagrams for the pid upgrade from WLL, I used them to >>>>>> understand the wiring but it's pretty simple stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> the thing that confuses me is I thought all Gicar pids have to use the >>>>>> external SSR to control the boilers due to the amp requirement? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 August 2014 15:08, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Michael >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what a coincidence, I have one of those on order from eBay already as >>>>>>> I am building a sous-vide cooker for home using it :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The one they gave me however is a 90-240AC input voltage, so I am >>>>>>> assuming that they connected it to the PID instead of the element >>>>>>> connection somehow. Just not sure exactly how to do it and don't want >>>>>>> to blow things up messing with the 220V if I don't know what I am >>>>>>> doing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Michael Endacott >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> This is the one I bought when I upgraded to Gicar PID and SSR >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400380577295?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Key spec is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Items: Solid State Relay >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Model: SSR-25 AA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Input voltage: 80-250VAC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Output voltage: 24-380VAC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Output current: 25A >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Working voltage: 250V >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22 August 2014 12:54, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They gave me a Crouzet SSR, I believe this is the one that is supplied >>>>>>>>> by WLL as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone have the WLL installation sheet? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:34 PM, John Brinkman >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Interesting, I went to the suppliers to pick up a replacment Gicar >>>>>>>>>> PID >>>>>>>>>> and they advised that I install an external SSR as well to take over >>>>>>>>>> from the one in the PID. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately non of their techies were there so not sure exactly how >>>>>>>>>> to install it. Also trying to work out if I can just desolder the >>>>>>>>>> faulty SSR on the existing one and wire in the new one for that (much >>>>>>>>>> bigger than the small existing chip) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:33 AM, John Brinkman >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Ahhh, will take it apart and have a look Graeme. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Graeme Burton >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi John, I think all b3 came with an external ssr in Australia. >>>>>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>>>>> may be able to replace the relay in the PID if you can find one >>>>>>>>>>>> that matches >>>>>>>>>>>> the pcb holes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Graeme >>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message >>>>>>>>>>>> From: John Brinkman >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014 01:21 >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Suspected Brew Group Boiler Element >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think you are right Graeme, any way to fix a faulty relay in the >>>>>>>>>>>> PID >>>>>>>>>>>> or must I just replace? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When I spoke to the local agent they said that they are installing >>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>> external SSR on the PID's as they have had quite a lot of them >>>>>>>>>>>> failing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Graeme Burton >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds more like a u/s solid state relay - sticking off and on? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could >>>>>>>>>>>>> also be the relay in the pid controller sticking. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Graeme >>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: John Brinkman >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 22:26 >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Suspected Brew Group Boiler Element >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Brewtus III PID with a rotary pump/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Woke up this morning to my brew group boiler showing 99C, started >>>>>>>>>>>>> pulling a shot to check and was flash steaming as the water came >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>> so suspect the reading was correct (set temp is 90c). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pulled some water through it for about 60 seconds and the temp >>>>>>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>>>>> dropping. I switched my machine off left it for about 30 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> switched it on again. Steam pressure came up and the light for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> steam boiler went of, brew temp was sitting at 70c and the light >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the PID was indicating that it was powering the brew element but >>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>> is no rise in temp. I switched the machine off altogether and left >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole day, brew temp has dropped down to 30c when I switch it >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> and does not rise at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would I be correct in assuming that this is probably a faulty brew >>>>>>>>>>>>> group element? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else I should heck before dismantelling? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks JohnB >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message 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