Resistance of element not SSR. On 24 Aug 2014, at 9:40 pm, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Graeme > > Ok, so the resistance on the SSR will tell me if the relay is open or > closed right? > > It is getting 220v and the green light is shining on the SSR so I > assume that this means that the PID is working correctly? > > Will check it out and see what is says, I have a replacement so will > check both of them. > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Graeme Burton <[email protected]> wrote: >> Sorry on 2 counts! >> >> First i see you have found the SSR >> >> Second you won’t measure volts on the “other" side of the element. You need >> to measure the resistance. >> >> On 24 Aug 2014, at 9:20 pm, Graeme Burton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> I guess you are sure there is no relay between PID output and the brew >>> boiler? >>> >>> Contacts on the steam boiler p-stat enable and disable the brew element as >>> I am sure you know. Are you able to confirm this is working properly - ie >>> you have mains voltage on the p-stat normally open contact when the steam >>> boiler has heated up? >>> >>> If you have mains voltage at one side of the element then if element OK you >>> will have mains voltage at the other side. Can also measure resitivity of >>> the element (disconnect a leg first and with power off of course). >>> >>> Graeme >>> >>> On 24 Aug 2014, at 4:49 am, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Will check it out Benjamin >>>> d >>>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I guess I'd check at the inputs to the boiler--if there's current there, >>>>> and no heat, then my thought is that the element is bad. >>>>> Kitt? >>>>> >>>>> b >>>>> Sent from my apple IIe >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 13:06, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All >>>>>> >>>>>> So I swapped a new PID in place of the old one and the brew boilder is >>>>>> still not heating up. >>>>>> Temp is displaying correctly and the dot is lighting up to indicate it >>>>>> should be heating up the boiler but no change in temp. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obviously there is a problem somewhere else. What can I check to try >>>>>> and problem solve this, any suggestions? >>>>>> >>>>>> I do have a multimeter. >>>>>> >>>>>> JohnB >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Michael Endacott >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> I've got wiring diagrams for the pid upgrade from WLL, I used them to >>>>>>> understand the wiring but it's pretty simple stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the thing that confuses me is I thought all Gicar pids have to use the >>>>>>> external SSR to control the boilers due to the amp requirement? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 August 2014 15:08, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Michael >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what a coincidence, I have one of those on order from eBay already as >>>>>>>> I am building a sous-vide cooker for home using it :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The one they gave me however is a 90-240AC input voltage, so I am >>>>>>>> assuming that they connected it to the PID instead of the element >>>>>>>> connection somehow. Just not sure exactly how to do it and don't want >>>>>>>> to blow things up messing with the 220V if I don't know what I am >>>>>>>> doing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Michael Endacott >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> This is the one I bought when I upgraded to Gicar PID and SSR >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400380577295?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Key spec is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Items: Solid State Relay >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Model: SSR-25 AA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Input voltage: 80-250VAC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Output voltage: 24-380VAC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Output current: 25A >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Working voltage: 250V >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 22 August 2014 12:54, John Brinkman <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They gave me a Crouzet SSR, I believe this is the one that is >>>>>>>>>> supplied >>>>>>>>>> by WLL as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have the WLL installation sheet? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:34 PM, John Brinkman >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Interesting, I went to the suppliers to pick up a replacment Gicar >>>>>>>>>>> PID >>>>>>>>>>> and they advised that I install an external SSR as well to take over >>>>>>>>>>> from the one in the PID. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately non of their techies were there so not sure exactly >>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>> to install it. Also trying to work out if I can just desolder the >>>>>>>>>>> faulty SSR on the existing one and wire in the new one for that >>>>>>>>>>> (much >>>>>>>>>>> bigger than the small existing chip) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:33 AM, John Brinkman >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahhh, will take it apart and have a look Graeme. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Graeme Burton >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi John, I think all b3 came with an external ssr in Australia. >>>>>>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>>>>>> may be able to replace the relay in the PID if you can find one >>>>>>>>>>>>> that matches >>>>>>>>>>>>> the pcb holes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Graeme >>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: John Brinkman >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014 01:21 >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Suspected Brew Group Boiler Element >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you are right Graeme, any way to fix a faulty relay in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> PID >>>>>>>>>>>>> or must I just replace? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When I spoke to the local agent they said that they are installing >>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>> external SSR on the PID's as they have had quite a lot of them >>>>>>>>>>>>> failing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Graeme Burton >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds more like a u/s solid state relay - sticking off and on? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also be the relay in the pid controller sticking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graeme >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: John Brinkman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 22:26 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Suspected Brew Group Boiler Element >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Brewtus III PID with a rotary pump/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Woke up this morning to my brew group boiler showing 99C, started >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulling a shot to check and was flash steaming as the water came >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so suspect the reading was correct (set temp is 90c). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pulled some water through it for about 60 seconds and the temp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropping. I switched my machine off left it for about 30 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> switched it on again. Steam pressure came up and the light for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> steam boiler went of, brew temp was sitting at 70c and the light >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PID was indicating that it was powering the brew element but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is no rise in temp. I switched the machine off altogether and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> left >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole day, brew temp has dropped down to 30c when I switch it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and does not rise at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would I be correct in assuming that this is probably a faulty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brew >>>>>>>>>>>>>> group element? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else I should heck before dismantelling? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks JohnB >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 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