Sorry on 2 counts! First i see you have found the SSR
Second you won’t measure volts on the “other" side of the element. You need to measure the resistance. On 24 Aug 2014, at 9:20 pm, Graeme Burton <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, > > I guess you are sure there is no relay between PID output and the brew > boiler? > > Contacts on the steam boiler p-stat enable and disable the brew element as I > am sure you know. Are you able to confirm this is working properly - ie you > have mains voltage on the p-stat normally open contact when the steam boiler > has heated up? > > If you have mains voltage at one side of the element then if element OK you > will have mains voltage at the other side. Can also measure resitivity of > the element (disconnect a leg first and with power off of course). > > Graeme > > On 24 Aug 2014, at 4:49 am, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Will check it out Benjamin >> d >> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> I guess I'd check at the inputs to the boiler--if there's current there, >>> and no heat, then my thought is that the element is bad. >>> Kitt? >>> >>> b >>> Sent from my apple IIe >>> >>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 13:06, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> So I swapped a new PID in place of the old one and the brew boilder is >>>> still not heating up. >>>> Temp is displaying correctly and the dot is lighting up to indicate it >>>> should be heating up the boiler but no change in temp. >>>> >>>> Obviously there is a problem somewhere else. What can I check to try >>>> and problem solve this, any suggestions? >>>> >>>> I do have a multimeter. >>>> >>>> JohnB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Michael Endacott >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I've got wiring diagrams for the pid upgrade from WLL, I used them to >>>>> understand the wiring but it's pretty simple stuff. >>>>> >>>>> the thing that confuses me is I thought all Gicar pids have to use the >>>>> external SSR to control the boilers due to the amp requirement? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 August 2014 15:08, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Michael >>>>>> >>>>>> what a coincidence, I have one of those on order from eBay already as >>>>>> I am building a sous-vide cooker for home using it :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> The one they gave me however is a 90-240AC input voltage, so I am >>>>>> assuming that they connected it to the PID instead of the element >>>>>> connection somehow. Just not sure exactly how to do it and don't want >>>>>> to blow things up messing with the 220V if I don't know what I am >>>>>> doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> JohnB >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Michael Endacott >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> This is the one I bought when I upgraded to Gicar PID and SSR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400380577295?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Key spec is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Items: Solid State Relay >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Model: SSR-25 AA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Input voltage: 80-250VAC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Output voltage: 24-380VAC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Output current: 25A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Working voltage: 250V >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 August 2014 12:54, John Brinkman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They gave me a Crouzet SSR, I believe this is the one that is supplied >>>>>>>> by WLL as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone have the WLL installation sheet? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:34 PM, John Brinkman >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Interesting, I went to the suppliers to pick up a replacment Gicar >>>>>>>>> PID >>>>>>>>> and they advised that I install an external SSR as well to take over >>>>>>>>> from the one in the PID. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately non of their techies were there so not sure exactly how >>>>>>>>> to install it. Also trying to work out if I can just desolder the >>>>>>>>> faulty SSR on the existing one and wire in the new one for that (much >>>>>>>>> bigger than the small existing chip) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:33 AM, John Brinkman >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Ahhh, will take it apart and have a look Graeme. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Graeme Burton >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi John, I think all b3 came with an external ssr in Australia. >>>>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>>>> may be able to replace the relay in the PID if you can find one >>>>>>>>>>> that matches >>>>>>>>>>> the pcb holes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Graeme >>>>>>>>>>> Original Message >>>>>>>>>>> From: John Brinkman >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014 01:21 >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Suspected Brew Group Boiler Element >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think you are right Graeme, any way to fix a faulty relay in the >>>>>>>>>>> PID >>>>>>>>>>> or must I just replace? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When I spoke to the local agent they said that they are installing >>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> external SSR on the PID's as they have had quite a lot of them >>>>>>>>>>> failing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JohnB >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Graeme Burton >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds more like a u/s solid state relay - sticking off and on? >>>>>>>>>>>> Could >>>>>>>>>>>> also be the relay in the pid controller sticking. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Graeme >>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message >>>>>>>>>>>> From: John Brinkman >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 22:26 >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Reply To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Suspected Brew Group Boiler Element >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Brewtus III PID with a rotary pump/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Woke up this morning to my brew group boiler showing 99C, started >>>>>>>>>>>> pulling a shot to check and was flash steaming as the water came >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> so suspect the reading was correct (set temp is 90c). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pulled some water through it for about 60 seconds and the temp >>>>>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>>>> dropping. I switched my machine off left it for about 30 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> switched it on again. Steam pressure came up and the light for the >>>>>>>>>>>> steam boiler went of, brew temp was sitting at 70c and the light >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> the PID was indicating that it was powering the brew element but >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> is no rise in temp. I switched the machine off altogether and left >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> the whole day, brew temp has dropped down to 30c when I switch it >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> and does not rise at all. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Would I be correct in assuming that this is probably a faulty brew >>>>>>>>>>>> group element? >>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else I should heck before dismantelling? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks JohnB >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are 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