Haha, nice Stevie! True, true. But we’ll be trolling this list, since we’ll 
miss you all too much.  :) Actually so many similarities across all the 
prosumer machines...
bmc

> On Dec 19, 2016, at 17:05, StevieG. <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Don't do it guys!  I will be the only one left with a BII!  Don't leave me!
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 5:19:51 PM UTC-5, todds wrote:
> HI Ben,
> 
> No the companies Quick Mill and ECM are not related in any way. And the 
> machines are pretty different.
> 
> The ECM has done a very good job with this and their other machines.  It is 
> German company but the machines are made in Italy.
> 
> One thing to keep in mind that if you every have to do home repairs there is 
> nothing easier to work on.
> 
> The boilers are all stainless steel and all the components are top quality.
> 
> 
> This shows a cut away Profitec Pro700 (similar to the ECM Synchronika)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmSHw1Fudpg&t=780s 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmSHw1Fudpg&t=780s>
> 
> This shows the ECM Synchronika
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hunFv7E51L8 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hunFv7E51L8>
> 
> 
> Take a look!
> 
> Todd 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <bmac...@ <>me.com 
> <http://me.com/>> wrote:
> Thanks Todd,
> That has a lot of similarities to the Quick Mill Vetrano 2B Evo. Are the two 
> companies related by chance? Or even the same company with different product 
> lines?
> best,
> bmc
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 12:40, Todd Salzman <to...@ <>wholelattelove.com 
>> <http://wholelattelove.com/>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Guys,
>> 
>> If you want beauty, quality of build and some really nice functionality take 
>> a look at this ECM.
>> 
>> https://www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-espresso-machine
>>  
>> <https://www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-espresso-machine>
>> 
>> As far as I am concern this is a best in class!!
>> 
>> Let me know if you have any question about it.
>> 
>> Thanks!!
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <bmac...@ <>me.com 
>> <http://me.com/>> wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> Hope you’re all well and having a great holiday season!
>> 
>> I’m considering replacing my old Brewtus 2, and pretty much everything is on 
>> the table.  I visited Synesso last week (wow, awesome people and facility, 
>> amazing machine technology, totally open culture), spoke via email with 
>> Slayer (nice machine, but totally different culture—very restrictive, want a 
>> liability waiver to build wood parts, won’t deal with customers directly, 
>> etc.), and have been perusing just about everything I can find online 
>> (simonelli, van der westen, etc.).
>> 
>> In the end, I am not sure I can convince myself I need to be at those price 
>> points, but who knows. I’ve always had my eye on the Alex Duetto, and it’s 
>> just come out in a v.4 with some nice changes/additions. As an added bonus, 
>> I could keep my business with Todd and WLL, who have been nothing short of 
>> amazing over the years of Brewtus ownership.
>> 
>> Anyway, I’m just sort of kicking it around and wonder what experiences 
>> you’ve all had with the Alex, Synesso, etc. or any others that might not be 
>> on my radar.
>> 
>> Things that are important to me:
>> —Amazing espresso (of course) and powerful steam
>> —Beautiful design and heavy machine that’s well-built with little/no 
>> vibration
>> —Somewhat manual experience if desired (i.e. push button machines are not 
>> for me—I love the E61 but would consider something else for significant 
>> gains in coffee quality)
>> —Ability to plumb in both water and drip tray
>> —Can do either 110 or 220
>> 
>> OK, all the best and talk soon.
>> Ben
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