[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>When you commit an Act of War, you get a violent
>response.  When you commit an Act of War against the United States, you get
>a _really_ violent response.

Now that's an interesting statement.

I've held off on discussing this because I've been really really busy 
lately, but fall into the "agree with both Gautam and Nick, sometimes" camp.

Is a violent response to an Act of War justified?

Yes.

Is violence the *goal* of a response to an Act of War?

No.

The goal is "stop it from happening again"*. That means removing the ability 
of those who committed the act to commit it again. If that requires killing 
them, so be it. If that means sending 500k troops or lobbing nukes at them, 
so be it. If it means arresting the perps and putting them on trial for war 
crimes, so be it.

Were the attack *truly* not state sanctioned (i.e. it was just 18 guys with 
a bone to pick, no sponsorship or aid, etc) then the correct response is 
probably nothing, just as there's no point in retaliating against a single 
mad gunman who shoots up a school and then takes his own life. In that case, 
all you can do is try to treat the cause rather than going after the 
symptoms - not a trivial task when it's clashing ideologies mixed with 
global socioeconomics.

Restating what I said above, the response to an Act of War should be to 
eliminate the ability of the agressor to do harm again. In the past, this 
mean killing them, and killing a large number of only nominally complicit 
people to get to them. This was, IMHO, justified.

With this sort of attack, it seems quite conceivable that the number of 
people directly responsible could fit, if you pardon the comparison, on a 
large aircraft. An invading army is not the right means to gather up those 
people and ensure they do no further harm.

Complicating the issue is the matter of avoiding martyrdom. Any action the 
US takes will cause anyone who dislikes the US to dislike the US any more - 
it's a given, and irrespective of the action. Killing those responsible 
makes obvious martyrs out of them. Hunting them down and treating them with 
civility while putting them on trial will not endear the US to groups that 
hate it already, but is a saner option.

Again, though, if massive force is required to prevent this from happening 
again, it should be used. I'm skeptical that it is. IMHO, the correct 
approach is to continue proselytizing peace, freedom, democracy, 
luxury-through-capitalism, and tolerance. Since most of those are based on 
greed it's an infectuous meme if backed up with dollar signs.

Joshua

* Remember the "Does Darth Vader deserve forgiveness or punishment in 
eternal hell?" debate? Same thing.


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