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From: "Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Brin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:51 PM
Subject: What do you mean Dutch intolerance?


> Dan Minette schreef:
>
> > As for the reason, you live in a country where, for the most part,
Jewish
> > people are afraid to live.  There use to be a flourishing Jewish
community,
> > which has shrunk to near zero.
>
> The Dutch society is one of the most tolerant and open in the world.

OK, let me ask a couple of questions then. Maybe there are aspects of the
Dutch culture that I don't understand.

The Neatherlands is about 8% ethnic Turks by population.

What fraction of them are citizens?

What governmental leadership offices have they held?  For example, even
though there is still racism in the US, most of the largest cities in the US
have had black mayors.  Although blacks are a minority in Houston (about 35%
IIRC), the present mayor is black, and just beat a Hispanic to win a third
term in office.

>Being f.i. Jewish won't get you into deadly trouble but it won't get you
any special
> treatment either. The average Dutch citizen doesn't care all that much.

How do Jewish people get special treatment in the United States.  Yet, if
you look, the US has more Jewish people than does Israel.

BTW, let me use this post to clear up a point.  My Jewish friends have told
me that for many/most being Jewish is more ethnic than religeous.  I am told
that most Jewish people in Israel are athiests.  Indeed, I had one friend
(an American) that was pulled off the street to read kaddish (sp) becaue the
people who asked him desparied of finding an Israelie who could read Hebrew.

Dan M.
If you
> live here, you are simply a human being no matter what your background.
Yes, and
> discriminating pigheads are everywhere. So we have them too, but so does
> everybody else on this earth. And no, Jeroen is not one of them. If he (or
for
> that matter I) were, we'd not be living in this area, that's for sure.
>


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