1) You dare to talk to me about "utter > blindness of the "incredible severity of hatred" > that liberals express > towards (neo)-conservatives" ????
Excuse me, but the bilious and unmerited firestorm of hatred and vitumen toward Bill Clinton started it, my man. Before that, there had been nothing like it in two lifetimes. Nearly all of it outright lies. Misdirection is key to your arguments. I quoted Buchanan in order to show how starkly the monsters have abandoned any tether to a historic conservatism. Even the aristocracy that they favor is centered overseas, in secret banking houses and Riyadh palaces. (The one thing that would have undermined terror above all would have been moves to diminish international banking secrecy and that is the one front that this administration has vigorously run the OTHER way.) As I have said repeatedly, I actually agree with the superficial words of Paul Wolfowitz far more than Pat Buchanan - who, indeed, I despise. Wolfowitz is a maniac, but his surface rationalizations claim a transcendental mission for Pax Americana... and I agree. Lincoln called us the "last best hope of humankind". and all evidence shows this to be true. I do NOT mind toppling dictators. What I mind is squandering our power to do so by alienating the planet, frittering our military, destroying our readiness, f eeding Jihad and culture war (Buchanan is perfectly right about that), LYING to the American people in order to create false Casus Belli, and in general doing it in ways that are utterly imbecillic. Balkans vs. Iraq. Two monsters removed. Fine. In the former we were told the truth every step of the way. The latter was a chain of unbelievable lies, any ONE of which was vastly worse than the totality of Clintonian fibbing. The former built alliances and BUILT our moral authority to intervene. The latter has demolished both. The former built gratitude among local populations. The latter is a maelstrom and perfect recruiting ground for Jihad. The former created a EUROPE THAT IS AT PEACE FOR THE 1ST TIME IN 4000 YEARS. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. The latter - perpetrated by the exact same moronic fools WHO LEFT SADDAM IN POWER IN 91 (Does anyone need a scintilla more proof of their low IQ?) - is a spiral into hell. The former -- not one US military person died. Mission accomplished. US casualties nil. Friends increased. You DARE to raise this issue? Do as W does. Never mention the Balkans. Clinton-Clarke showed how Pax Americana could be implemented by mature adults. We are in the hands of NASCAR Johnny reb skreechers. Oh, I never said the Red states want to secede. Why should they when they have conquered america. --- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 08:51 PM 9/13/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: > >Consider. JDG implies that to agree with anything > >said by another person makes you in agreement with > >EVERYTHING they say. > > No Dr. Brin, I imply no such thing. For example, I > do not imply that by > quoting Pat Buchanan, you now share Pat Buchanan's > pro-life views on human > rights for unborn children. What I do imply, > however, is that when you > write a post to this list, the centerpiece of which > is a quote from Pat > Buchanan expressing Mr. Buchanan's isolationist > views, that you are looking > with some degree of favorability upon those views. > > Consider, for example, the first part of Pat > Buchanan's quote: > "We invaded a country that did not threaten us, did > not attack us,and did not want war with us" > > Guess what, Dr. Brin - Pat Buchanan said the same > thing HUNDREDS of times > about the war against Yugoslavia! (As well as the > First Gulf War, IIRC!) > Thus, the above is a very interesting charge for > you to level at the Bush > Administration, since it applies equally well to the > Yugoslavia War you > admire so much. So, yes indeed the Bush > Administration has broken with > the traditional conservatism of Pat Buchanan - > particularly the > isolationist wing of conservatism whose epitome is > Pat Buchanan, and > includes rejection of not just the Yugoslavia War > but also includes > withdrawal from the United Nations and the rest of > the international arena. > Thus, you are one of the last people whom I would > imagine to be lamenting > the passsing of the "isolationist corner" of the > conservative movement. > > Ridiculous comments about the IQ of the Bush > Administration, utter > blindness of the "incredible severity of hatred" > that liberals express > towards (neo)-conservatives, and, most inexplicably, > the idea that > residents of plains and mountains States want to > dissolve the Union - I am > not going to dignify with a comment. > > JDG > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
