Don't worry. I didn't find the UI that easy to use either. I stuffed around
clicking and hovering willy nilly to find out where things were.

2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]>

> Pfff, thanks. I am having a bit of a hard time with the UI...
>
> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]>
>
>> On All Forums, hover over the forum and there's a follow link. Then you
>> can see new stuff in your watchlist.
>>
>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]>
>>
>>> Anyone found out how to "follow" a discussion/entire forum?
>>>
>>> 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> ok, I got other actions now :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 25 Sty, 12:41, Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> > How about now?
>>>> >
>>>> > 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > > Yes
>>>> >
>>>> > > 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >> Can you see the "New Topic" button on this instance?
>>>> > >>http://forums.zoho.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > >> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>> Yer. On mine the blue top bar has a "New Topic" button to the left
>>>> of the
>>>> > >>> search box.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>> I can see I can invite you. Let me check the help.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>> The only actions available are
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>    -  E-mail this topic
>>>> > >>>>    -  Private response
>>>> > >>>>    -  Bookmark this topic
>>>> > >>>>    -  Permalink<
>>>> http://discussions.zoho.com/castleproject/topic/welcome-to-the-castle..
>>>> .>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>> I would expect something like Start, Reply to Topic etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>> .. and logged in ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> I am signed up en logged in.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jonathon Rossi <
>>>> [email protected]>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>> If you click "Login to partitipate" on the right, then "sign
>>>> up". Or
>>>> > >>>>>>> is this after you are signed up?
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps I am overlooking an obvious button, but how do you
>>>> become a
>>>> > >>>>>>>> forum member?
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We now have a zoho discussion board:
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>http://discussions.zoho.com/castleproject
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I am already finding things that are missing, hopefully the
>>>> Zoho
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> team is responsive with feedback.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>> OK. I'll contact Zoho to set up an open source account.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm at work right now, so I can't really do it.
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> So if you or John want to step up, be my guest.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Krzysztof
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Sty, 09:19, Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I agree. If it works well then we can continue using it
>>>> and get
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> our data
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > migrated, if it doesn't we provide feedback so they can
>>>> improve
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I assume either you Krzysztof (because you brought it
>>>> up) or
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> John is going
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > to create an account.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > I say we give it a shot.
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Let's set up a test forum and see for ourselves, and
>>>> then we
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> decide
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > whether we make the move or not.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > On 25 Sty, 06:18, John Simons <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > So what is the verdict, are we going to move the
>>>> user's
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > to Zoho?
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > Cheers
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > John
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > On Jan 23, 9:58 pm, Jonathon Rossi <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > I think it might just be that we haven't had a
>>>> chance to
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> play with Zoho
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > to
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > know if it really suits our needs. I like UV
>>>> because it
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> has been
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > working
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > really well for us. Does the ideas page in Zoho
>>>> allow you
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> to sort by
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > votes,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > I couldn't find anything for this?
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Krzysztof asked the following. Dhan, are you able
>>>> to
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> provide any
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > details of
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > whether Zoho has the functionality to add a poll
>>>> into an
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> existing
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > discussion.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > I'm wondering if such voting +1/-1/0
>>>> functionality is
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> built in into
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Zoho ;D
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Dhan
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > What specific feature of User Voice are you
>>>> looking at?
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> We have a
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > feedback widget that can be popped up either by
>>>> links
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> or via a
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > contrast colored floater widget. What other
>>>> features of
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> User Voice is
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > a show stopper for your needs?
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > On Jan 23, 2:47 pm, Krzysztof Koźmic <
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > I'm +1,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > We don't have the abandon the google group
>>>> just yet,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> although if we
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > get
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > going with Zoho
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > as we gradually customize it to our needs, I
>>>> think
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> we'll all find
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > it
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > more useful than google.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > Also as Jono mentioned it looks like at the
>>>> moment
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> uservoice is
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > better
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > at where they overlap
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > so we might want to stick to uservoice for
>>>> some time
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> after that,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > and see
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > how things develop.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > The UV-like functionality in Zoho was just
>>>> added.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > Krzysztof.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > (PS)
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > I'm wondering if such voting +1/-1/0
>>>> functionality is
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> built in into
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Zoho
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > ;D
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > On 2010-01-23 10:31, Roelof Blom wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > +1
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:20 AM, John Simons
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto:
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     Yes we can just start with the users
>>>> mailing
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> list, but I
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > would
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     eventually bring both across because of
>>>> the
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> number of extra
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > features
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     Zoho provide us.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     I would not say that development mailing
>>>> list
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> is serving us
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > that
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > well
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     either. I think it has the same problem
>>>> of not
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> being able to
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > tag
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     discussions per topic and the way we do
>>>> voting,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> and it has no
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > way
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > of
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     subscribing to discussion topics.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     I think both lists would benefit from
>>>> the
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> features Zoho
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > provides.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     Cheers
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     John
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     On Jan 23, 3:02 pm, Jonathon Rossi <
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > So are we talking about changing only
>>>> the
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> users mailing
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > list,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     not the
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > development mailing list. I agree the
>>>> users
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > doesn't
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     fit our
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > users very well, however the
>>>> development
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list works
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > well.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:47 PM, John
>>>> Simons
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     <[email protected] <mailto:
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > [email protected]
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > Everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > I don't know about everyone's
>>>> experience
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> with the google
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     mailing list,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > but in my opinion it doesn't meet
>>>> our
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> requirements,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > specially
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > the
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > users.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > The majority of threads in the
>>>> User's
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list is
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > "How do
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     I do X?"
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > and then someone posts a solution.
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > The problem with this is that we
>>>> have no
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> idea what the
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > question
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > is
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > about until we read it and if the
>>>> solution
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> is correct or
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > not.
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > Begin able to tag questions per
>>>> topic (same
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> way SO does
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > it)
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     and mark
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > them as solved is essential for any
>>>> support
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> system (like
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > it or
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     not the
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > users mailing list is our support
>>>> system) ,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Actually
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > people to
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > get
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > around this limitation have started
>>>> using
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the title of
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > the
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     post as a
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > tagging mechanism eg [MonoRail] or
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [ActiveRecord].
>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > This limitation is also creating a
>>>> lot of
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> repeated
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     questions/answers,
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > if you don;t believe me do a bit of
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> browsing on the users
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > mailing
>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >     > > list.
>>>> >
>>>> > ...
>>>> >
>>>> > więcej >>
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