Agree on the usability problems: - Clicking on any one of the 'most discussed/popular' links does nothing, it should take you that discussion I guess - Following threads/subforums is not obvious
I have a gut feeling that over time as the number of messages increase it will become hard to find something, because there's no clear organization (at least that I'm aware of) and the search simply sucks (try searching on rossi or ken) -- Roelof. 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> > Personally, I feel disappointed. There was a lot of hype around Zoho > discussions, however I feel there is a lot of usability problems and a few > missing features. > > Thoughts? > > > 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> > >> It's a big relief that I am not alone in this, Jono :-) >> >> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >> >>> Don't worry. I didn't find the UI that easy to use either. I stuffed >>> around clicking and hovering willy nilly to find out where things were. >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Pfff, thanks. I am having a bit of a hard time with the UI... >>>> >>>> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> On All Forums, hover over the forum and there's a follow link. Then >>>>> you can see new stuff in your watchlist. >>>>> >>>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> Anyone found out how to "follow" a discussion/entire forum? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> ok, I got other actions now :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25 Sty, 12:41, Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > How about now? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Yes >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> Can you see the "New Topic" button on this instance? >>>>>>> > >>http://forums.zoho.com/ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> Yer. On mine the blue top bar has a "New Topic" button to the >>>>>>> left of the >>>>>>> > >>> search box. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> I can see I can invite you. Let me check the help. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> The only actions available are >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> - E-mail this topic >>>>>>> > >>>> - Private response >>>>>>> > >>>> - Bookmark this topic >>>>>>> > >>>> - Permalink< >>>>>>> http://discussions.zoho.com/castleproject/topic/welcome-to-the-castle.. >>>>>>> .> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> I would expect something like Start, Reply to Topic etc. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> .. and logged in ;-) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> I am signed up en logged in. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jonathon Rossi < >>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you click "Login to partitipate" on the right, then >>>>>>> "sign up". Or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> is this after you are signed up? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps I am overlooking an obvious button, but how do you >>>>>>> become a >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> forum member? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We now have a zoho discussion board: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>http://discussions.zoho.com/castleproject >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I am already finding things that are missing, hopefully >>>>>>> the Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> team is responsive with feedback. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> OK. I'll contact Zoho to set up an open source account. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm at work right now, so I can't really do it. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> So if you or John want to step up, be my guest. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Krzysztof >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Sty, 09:19, Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I agree. If it works well then we can continue using >>>>>>> it and get >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> our data >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > migrated, if it doesn't we provide feedback so they >>>>>>> can improve >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I assume either you Krzysztof (because you brought it >>>>>>> up) or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> John is going >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > to create an account. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > I say we give it a shot. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Let's set up a test forum and see for ourselves, >>>>>>> and then we >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> decide >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > whether we make the move or not. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > On 25 Sty, 06:18, John Simons < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > So what is the verdict, are we going to move the >>>>>>> user's >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > to Zoho? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > Cheers >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > John >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > On Jan 23, 9:58 pm, Jonathon Rossi < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > I think it might just be that we haven't had a >>>>>>> chance to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> play with Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > know if it really suits our needs. I like UV >>>>>>> because it >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> has been >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > working >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > really well for us. Does the ideas page in Zoho >>>>>>> allow you >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> to sort by >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > votes, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > I couldn't find anything for this? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Krzysztof asked the following. Dhan, are you >>>>>>> able to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> provide any >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > details of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > whether Zoho has the functionality to add a >>>>>>> poll into an >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> existing >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > discussion. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > I'm wondering if such voting +1/-1/0 >>>>>>> functionality is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> built in into >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Zoho ;D >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Dhan >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > What specific feature of User Voice are you >>>>>>> looking at? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> We have a >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > feedback widget that can be popped up either >>>>>>> by links >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> or via a >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > contrast colored floater widget. What other >>>>>>> features of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> User Voice is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > a show stopper for your needs? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > On Jan 23, 2:47 pm, Krzysztof Koźmic < >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > I'm +1, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > We don't have the abandon the google group >>>>>>> just yet, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> although if we >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > get >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > going with Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > as we gradually customize it to our needs, >>>>>>> I think >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> we'll all find >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > it >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > more useful than google. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > Also as Jono mentioned it looks like at the >>>>>>> moment >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> uservoice is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > better >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > at where they overlap >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > so we might want to stick to uservoice for >>>>>>> some time >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> after that, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > and see >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > how things develop. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > The UV-like functionality in Zoho was just >>>>>>> added. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > Krzysztof. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > (PS) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > I'm wondering if such voting +1/-1/0 >>>>>>> functionality is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> built in into >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > ;D >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > On 2010-01-23 10:31, Roelof Blom wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > +1 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:20 AM, John >>>>>>> Simons >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > Yes we can just start with the users >>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> list, but I >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > would >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > eventually bring both across because >>>>>>> of the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> number of extra >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > features >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > Zoho provide us. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > I would not say that development >>>>>>> mailing list >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> is serving us >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > that >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > well >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > either. I think it has the same >>>>>>> problem of not >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> being able to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > tag >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > discussions per topic and the way we >>>>>>> do voting, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> and it has no >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > way >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > subscribing to discussion topics. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > I think both lists would benefit from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> features Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > provides. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > Cheers >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > John >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > On Jan 23, 3:02 pm, Jonathon Rossi < >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > So are we talking about changing >>>>>>> only the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> users mailing >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > list, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > not the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > development mailing list. I agree >>>>>>> the users >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > doesn't >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > fit our >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > users very well, however the >>>>>>> development >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list works >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > well. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:47 PM, >>>>>>> John Simons >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Everyone, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > I don't know about everyone's >>>>>>> experience >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> with the google >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > mailing list, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > but in my opinion it doesn't meet >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> requirements, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > specially >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > users. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > The majority of threads in the >>>>>>> User's >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > "How do >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > I do X?" >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > and then someone posts a >>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > The problem with this is that we >>>>>>> have no >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> idea what the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > question >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > about until we read it and if the >>>>>>> solution >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> is correct or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > not. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Begin able to tag questions per >>>>>>> topic (same >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> way SO does >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > it) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > and mark >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > them as solved is essential for >>>>>>> any support >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> system (like >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > it or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > not the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > users mailing list is our support >>>>>>> system) , >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Actually >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > people to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > get >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > around this limitation have >>>>>>> started using >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the title of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > post as a >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > tagging mechanism eg [MonoRail] >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [ActiveRecord]. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > This limitation is also creating >>>>>>> a lot of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> repeated >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > questions/answers, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > if you don;t believe me do a bit >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> browsing on the users >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > mailing >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > 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