It also seems to take 10mins for a lot of the emails to come through. I think that would really hurt not only our users.
For me currently google groups and gmail provide nearly instant emails. 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> > Personally, I feel disappointed. There was a lot of hype around Zoho > discussions, however I feel there is a lot of usability problems and a few > missing features. > > Thoughts? > > > 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> > >> It's a big relief that I am not alone in this, Jono :-) >> >> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >> >>> Don't worry. I didn't find the UI that easy to use either. I stuffed >>> around clicking and hovering willy nilly to find out where things were. >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Pfff, thanks. I am having a bit of a hard time with the UI... >>>> >>>> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> On All Forums, hover over the forum and there's a follow link. Then >>>>> you can see new stuff in your watchlist. >>>>> >>>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> Anyone found out how to "follow" a discussion/entire forum? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> ok, I got other actions now :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25 Sty, 12:41, Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > How about now? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Yes >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> Can you see the "New Topic" button on this instance? >>>>>>> > >>http://forums.zoho.com/ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> Yer. On mine the blue top bar has a "New Topic" button to the >>>>>>> left of the >>>>>>> > >>> search box. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> I can see I can invite you. Let me check the help. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> The only actions available are >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> - E-mail this topic >>>>>>> > >>>> - Private response >>>>>>> > >>>> - Bookmark this topic >>>>>>> > >>>> - Permalink< >>>>>>> http://discussions.zoho.com/castleproject/topic/welcome-to-the-castle.. >>>>>>> .> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> I would expect something like Start, Reply to Topic etc. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> .. and logged in ;-) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> I am signed up en logged in. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jonathon Rossi < >>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you click "Login to partitipate" on the right, then >>>>>>> "sign up". Or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> is this after you are signed up? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps I am overlooking an obvious button, but how do you >>>>>>> become a >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> forum member? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We now have a zoho discussion board: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>http://discussions.zoho.com/castleproject >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I am already finding things that are missing, hopefully >>>>>>> the Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> team is responsive with feedback. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> OK. I'll contact Zoho to set up an open source account. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm at work right now, so I can't really do it. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> So if you or John want to step up, be my guest. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Krzysztof >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Sty, 09:19, Jonathon Rossi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I agree. If it works well then we can continue using >>>>>>> it and get >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> our data >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > migrated, if it doesn't we provide feedback so they >>>>>>> can improve >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I assume either you Krzysztof (because you brought it >>>>>>> up) or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> John is going >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > to create an account. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > 2010/1/25 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > I say we give it a shot. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Let's set up a test forum and see for ourselves, >>>>>>> and then we >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> decide >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > whether we make the move or not. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > On 25 Sty, 06:18, John Simons < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > So what is the verdict, are we going to move the >>>>>>> user's >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > to Zoho? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > Cheers >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > John >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > On Jan 23, 9:58 pm, Jonathon Rossi < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > I think it might just be that we haven't had a >>>>>>> chance to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> play with Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > know if it really suits our needs. I like UV >>>>>>> because it >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> has been >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > working >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > really well for us. Does the ideas page in Zoho >>>>>>> allow you >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> to sort by >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > votes, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > I couldn't find anything for this? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Krzysztof asked the following. Dhan, are you >>>>>>> able to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> provide any >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > details of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > whether Zoho has the functionality to add a >>>>>>> poll into an >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> existing >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > discussion. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > I'm wondering if such voting +1/-1/0 >>>>>>> functionality is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> built in into >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Zoho ;D >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Dhan >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > What specific feature of User Voice are you >>>>>>> looking at? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> We have a >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > feedback widget that can be popped up either >>>>>>> by links >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> or via a >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > contrast colored floater widget. What other >>>>>>> features of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> User Voice is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > a show stopper for your needs? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > On Jan 23, 2:47 pm, Krzysztof Koźmic < >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > I'm +1, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > We don't have the abandon the google group >>>>>>> just yet, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> although if we >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > get >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > going with Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > as we gradually customize it to our needs, >>>>>>> I think >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> we'll all find >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > it >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > more useful than google. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > Also as Jono mentioned it looks like at the >>>>>>> moment >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> uservoice is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > better >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > at where they overlap >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > so we might want to stick to uservoice for >>>>>>> some time >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> after that, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > and see >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > how things develop. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > The UV-like functionality in Zoho was just >>>>>>> added. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > Krzysztof. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > (PS) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > I'm wondering if such voting +1/-1/0 >>>>>>> functionality is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> built in into >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > ;D >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > On 2010-01-23 10:31, Roelof Blom wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > +1 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:20 AM, John >>>>>>> Simons >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > Yes we can just start with the users >>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> list, but I >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > would >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > eventually bring both across because >>>>>>> of the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> number of extra >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > features >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > Zoho provide us. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > I would not say that development >>>>>>> mailing list >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> is serving us >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > that >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > well >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > either. I think it has the same >>>>>>> problem of not >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> being able to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > tag >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > discussions per topic and the way we >>>>>>> do voting, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> and it has no >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > way >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > subscribing to discussion topics. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > I think both lists would benefit from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> features Zoho >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > provides. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > Cheers >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > John >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > On Jan 23, 3:02 pm, Jonathon Rossi < >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > So are we talking about changing >>>>>>> only the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> users mailing >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > list, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > not the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > development mailing list. I agree >>>>>>> the users >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > doesn't >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > fit our >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > users very well, however the >>>>>>> development >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list works >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > well. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:47 PM, >>>>>>> John Simons >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Everyone, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > I don't know about everyone's >>>>>>> experience >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> with the google >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > mailing list, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > but in my opinion it doesn't meet >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> requirements, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > specially >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > users. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > The majority of threads in the >>>>>>> User's >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing list is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > "How do >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > I do X?" >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > and then someone posts a >>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > The problem with this is that we >>>>>>> have no >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> idea what the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > question >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > is >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > about until we read it and if the >>>>>>> solution >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> is correct or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > not. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Begin able to tag questions per >>>>>>> topic (same >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> way SO does >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > it) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > and mark >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > them as solved is essential for >>>>>>> any support >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> system (like >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > it or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > not the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > users mailing list is our support >>>>>>> system) , >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Actually >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > people to >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > get >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > around this limitation have >>>>>>> started using >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the title of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > the >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > post as a >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > tagging mechanism eg [MonoRail] >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [ActiveRecord]. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > This limitation is also creating >>>>>>> a lot of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> repeated >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > questions/answers, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > if you don;t believe me do a bit >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> browsing on the users >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > mailing >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > 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