The fact is, that any manager worth their salt should be able to interview
the BS out of a candidate. The most thorough interview process I've ever
been through was trying to get a job at Citrix Systems here in Fort
Lauderdale. It was a Test Engineering position, for which I was interviewed
first through a phone interview by one of the rank-and-file Test Engingeers,
who qualified me as a good candidate, and gave his referral to the hiring
manager. Then the next day I was interviewed by phone by the hiring
manager, and he obviously liked me, because the next day I had an onsite
scheduled.
The onsite was an all-day affair which consisted of a series of interviews,
by:
1) The hiring manager
2) The VP of Test Engineering
3) The Director of Test Engineering
Then...the most dreaded of all interviews...the Citrix TI (Technical
Interview)...
The TI consisted of me sitting in a small room with two Senior Test
Engineers and one 3rd Level Tech Support Engineer, all of whom had forgotten
more about computers and software development than I'll likely ever know
myself, with the three of them firing off question after question on all
manner of technical issues...hardware, software, operating systems,
networking models...everything about which I've ever said, "I don't need to
know that, really...I've got it all in that book on the shelf in my home
office"...It was the most grueling, brutal interview I've ever been through,
and I was totally honest about what I knew and didn't know...because I knew
that if I tried to BS these guys, they'd nail me to the wall in a second.
Now...I did get the job (I consider myself very qualified for the job) and I
do have a CS degree...but a guy started on the same day I did, at slightly
higher level than myself, and went through the exact same process, with the
same type of TI that I did, and he didn't have a degree. My point is that
if a company's interview process is thorough enough, the degree isn't
important...the only thing that matters is if the candidate knows what
he/she needs to know, and can/is willing to learn what they need to know in
order to do the job.
<CFUG-SFL Manager>
-Kev
</CFUG-SFL Manager>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Michl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:05 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: For those of you without a CS Degree
>
>
> I also meant to add that I think the degree becomes less and less
> important
> to an employer as the employee's age and level of experience increases.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Patton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: For those of you without a CS Degree
>
>
> > >in the end, experience tells all.
> >
> > That is really all i was trying to get at but my question still remains
> why
> > do companies ignore those of us that don't have degree's when we can and
> > will do a better job than the guy with the degree. When i have 3 yrs
> > experience and the guy in front of me has 1 1/2 years and a degree they
> will
> > look through me. Just doesn't make sense. especially if experience tells
> it
> > all.
> >
> >
> > Jay Patton
> > Web Design / Application Design
> > Web Pro USA
>
>
>
>
>
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