Well, absolutism/extremism & hissy fits aside, I'm pleased that somebody
can advocate a sensible reason for curtailing our "War on Drugs." The
Libertarians do this in spades. The other parties would do well to pay
attention. I think the idea is gaining momentum.
Ang�l Stewart wrote:
>
> I see your point of view, and I disagreed with it in my previous post. :-)
>
> I disagree and say it is an extremist point of view,and the problem IS that many
>Libertarians are extremists, and that much
> of the libertarian theories can't survive practical application. The fragmentation
>amongst Libertarians is simply a symptom
> of the above, not a cause in and of itself.
>
> I also pointed to the Oceania(sp?) Manifesto as an example of theories founded in
>Libertarianism that just would NOT work in
> a society.
>
> THe character flaw of being unable to see any other point of view fits well with an
>extremist ideology.In fact, an absolutist
> advocates Despotism, and dictatorship. That's very telling for a Libertarian to say,
>and buttresses my statements in the
> previous email about how I see the party and its principles.
>
> They just aren't viable in the real world with human nature being what it is.And no
>Libertarian has ever been able to show me
> otherwise through discussion. Most of them get annoyed, and angry, and eventually
>devolve into rants about the Founding
> Fathers of the United States, and try to use the world as it existed in the 17th and
>18th century as an example of laws and
> ways of living that would work in the 21st century.
>
> Going back to the Oceania Manifesto/Constitution...that's perhaps the only attempt I
>know of to put the Libertarian theories
> into some sort of practical document and law...and its rife with inconsistencies and
>contradictions and downright dangerous
> clauses..where the very rich will always benefit infinitely over the very poor,who
>in many cases would simply lay on the
> street and die becase they couldn't afford anything else.
>
> I don't hold a grudge..:)
> and I'm not throwing a hissy fit.
>
> I'd be happy if you could somehow change my mind on the above and show me how all
>this Libertarian theory can work. For now I
> simply see the party as a necessary fringe group opposition to the two ruling
>parties in the US,where the only thing really
> separating them is their corporate backing. I do think that Libertarians are
>necessary in US Society, and actually hope the
> party can get it together and have its voice heard. Issues such as privacy, and
>personal freedom are often championed by the
> Libertarian party when others wouldn't want to touch them with a ten foot pole.
>
> *slides Adam a muffin*
>
> -Gel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Phillip Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> This is part of my point exactly, Gel. It's not that we are extremists,
> it's that to many of us there seemingly _IS_ no other viewpoint and no
> compromise, and that's why we as a group (if indeed we even are a "group")
> we will never achieve political significance, unless it is bartering a few
> swing votes here and there. So I would say "absolutist" to be accurate,
> rather than "extremist." And it's not that we don't see the middle ground
> where "everyone" lives, it's that we don't want to live there ourselves, or
> pay the rent for others who do.
>
> By the way, I've noticed how constantly angry you are at others' points of
> view, and how you tend to intimate that we are mentally ill or worst, and
> that your point of view is the only valid one because it is the conventional
> wisdom of the majority of people. You sound as bad as I did a couple of
> weeks ago on the road rage thread, but you never stop. You complain to high
> hell that Libertarians don't see others' points of view, but neither do you.
>
> It's like, "argue with Gel, and he'll throw a hissy fit, then hold a
> permanent grudge against you." I know we all get animated and high horse
> from time to time, but do you ever calm down and see someone else's point of
> view?
>
>
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