> If its a human behavior or a physiological construct then it can be > quantifiable. If you can quantify the thing (and yes I've seen > some studies > that attempt to do such) then you can measure the impact of > "willpower" on a > behavior, such as smoking. Otherwise we are getting into the realm of > mythology, not science. By not quantifying and relying on myths > its becomes > little more than what shamans, NLP practitioners and other > practitioners of > irrational beliefs do.
Sorry. I refuse to only accept those things documented and able to be documented by science as real! Perhaps my life experiences have led me to understand a bit more, but just because you want to label things outside your ability to understand as irrational and mythology doesn't mean they cease to exist, or have no value! > Never said that the addictiveness is evil. Its the application thereof I > dislike. If an individual gives another a very addicting substance, he's > considered evil and jailed as a drug dealer. When a tobacco > company does it > they get a government subsidy and tax breaks. And what of the candy company? Or the alcohol manufacturer? I can walk into any liquor store in town and pick up a bottle of a very addictive single malt scotch! No one is jailed, and no one is considered evil except by the religious zealots I don't wish to deal with anyway! Or are you going to play the game that since alcoholism is considered an illness now, that somehow this falls outside the loop? Or obesity? > Actually the stats are very strong on this one. the reputable > psych journal, > Addictive Behavior published an article a few years back that supported > this. Remember what I said, nothing regarding the physical effect of > withdrawal, I was referring to the rate of successful quitting. What > percentage of people successfully quit following a single > treatment regimen, > which is typically 12 weeks of once per week hour sessions. Smoking > cessation programs following this model usually report very low rates, > typically around 10%. Similar programs for heroin addiction or alcohol > additions report somewhat higher rates, 18% comes to mind but I'll have to > look that one up to be sure. Twelve weeks of one hour sessions? Pard, you want to quit smoking then you put the pack down and stop! If you can't do that then you have no business starting! Twelve weeks of one hour sessions is just garbage. No wonder the 'success' rate is so low! Stop coddling people into quitting! > > Don't communities and groups also have rights? Do your individual rights > give you the go ahead to pollute the stream that runs through my property? > Or do they allow you to pollute the air that I breath? Does it > give you the > right to yell Fire in a theater or play target practice with your firearms > in your backyard? No. Communities and groups do not have rights! Only individuals have rights! As to our 'collective' stream. I can pollute my stream as much as I want, providing that once the water (Or whatever else) leaves MY area and enters yours, it's clean and pure again. I can also play with my firearms in my backyard as much as I want. However the noise, and or bullets can not cause you any problems or harm! In essence I am free to do whatever I choose! But I can not infringe on your freedoms! > Let me put it another way when do your rights end and mine begin? > Your right > to play Liberace Does the Sex Pistols ends when you play the CD > very loud at > 120 decibels at 4AM. Answered! > OK then your right to pollute your lungs not only affects the air that I > breathe, but also affects my health care costs, as a nonsmoker I'll be > paying for your care far longer than you'll be paying for mine. Wrong! Your health care costs are your own! You have made your own deal with the insurance company just as I have. They give me a discount because I don't smoke. They will give me more of a discount if I exercise more. I'm sure you'll come back with flap about rising costs being distributed among everyone but rising costs are a fact of life, deal! And as a side note... I have only been to the doctor once in the last 30 years, and I paid for that visit out of my pocket rather then messing with insurance. So chances are I've been paying to subsidize YOUR health care a great deal more then you have mine! Marcus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
