Please remember they are not Islamic. They follow a belief that is
considered heretical to real Islam. There is a difference.

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:58 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: How long?
> 
> 
> one of the problems is that you are viewing this from a
> non-islamic-fundamentalist slant - the crazy islamic 
> fundamentalists would
> certainly view the US doing nothing as a total weakness.  In 
> fact they have
> a history of viewing compromise as a weakness and therefore a) wont'
> compromise themselves and b) respond to offers of compromise with more
> demand, since they figure they can get what they want. 
> 
> We aren't dealing with rational, normal people here - we are 
> dealing with
> crazy, brainwashed freaks who need to be frightened of us.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:       Friday, November 02, 2001 1:58 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject:    RE: How long?
> > 
> > Read the part in parentheses, I agree. Absentia. Then we 
> wait for a chance
> > to get him. It gives a stronger moral basis for hunting 
> him. So far he has
> > made us look the fool. We have lost 6000+ people and 
> billions of dollars
> > in
> > a war with him and killed almost none of his soldiers, though we are
> > killing
> > the people of Afghanistan, either directly in attacks or indirectly
> > through
> > the food problems and exodus there.
> > 
> > Sadly, these people probably have no idea why the US is 
> attacking their
> > country, but I bet they are pissed and some young men, with 
> no future
> > other
> > than being a farmer or unskilled worker, are making fine 
> recruits for bin
> > Laden or the Taliban. If we can demonize them, I bet they 
> can far better
> > demonize us. And it costs them a lot less than us. AK-47s 
> are going for
> > $50USD in Africa.
> > 
> > -Gary
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:49 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: How long?
> > >
> > >
> > > how exactly would we "get the bad guys"?  the taliban would
> > > simply give them
> > > to us.  apparently we gave them evidence and they still refused.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:   Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent:   Friday, November 02, 2001 11:35 AM
> > > > To:     CF-Community
> > > > Subject:        RE: How long?
> > > >
> > > > What "ample" evidence. I want to see it. I am not saying it is
> > > not true, I
> > > > want to see it in a court of law, which is how we should have
> > > pursued this
> > > > in the first place. Gather evidence, get the bad guys, 
> have a trial.
> > The
> > > > Taliban even offered to give him to us if we could supply good
> > > evidence. I
> > > > guess it was not convincing. (snicker, don't get me wrong,
> > > there is little
> > > > doubt in my mind they would have given him to us 
> regardless, the trial
> > > > would
> > > > be in absentia.)
> > > >
> > > > -Gary
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:30 AM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: RE: How long?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At the same time however, there is ample evidence 
> that Al-Queda
> > > > > was involved
> > > > > in the 9-11 atrocities. And the main prop to the 
> Taleban has been
> > > > > Al-Queda.
> > > > > the 055 Regiment, which is funded by Bin-Laden and 
> Al-Queda and
> > manned
> > > > by
> > > > > Al-Queda personnel is the best unit in the Taleban 
> military. The
> > > > > two groups
> > > > > are so hand in glove that they are almost the same. Hence
> > > there is ample
> > > > > justification to go after the Taleban.
> > > > >
> > > > > larry
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > > > EBStor.com
> > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:23 AM
> > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > Subject: RE: How long?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here here Gary!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but Nick, so America are correct in bombing 
> Afghanistan?  Bombing
> > a
> > > > > > relatively barren country is protecting the US? hmm? I think
> > > > > > you are living
> > > > > > in a world of fantasy about the place your country 
> is holding
> > > > > > in the world
> > > > > > today and what right does your have the right as a 
> country to
> > > > > > dicate the
> > > > > > fate or paths of the world.....other nations suffer
> > > > > > atrocities etc.... oh
> > > > > > but they are not civilised are they? :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A thread a while ago springs to mind - what if the 
> IRA or ETA
> > > > > > decided to
> > > > > > "declare a [war]" on the US - would you bomb the UK, Ireland
> > > > > > and Spain?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Delusions of grandure methinks.  Wake up and realise that
> > > > > > something is wrong
> > > > > > with the way the US (and ahem, some of its citizens) are
> > > > > > acting.  I can
> > > > > > probably say that my colleagues and for people around me in
> > > > > > the UK, what
> > > > > > started out as hate and disgust about Sept 11 has now turned
> > > > > > to shock and
> > > > > > horrer about how the US is dealing with it - "Gung Ho" as
> > > > > > someone stated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I 100% agree that we should not harbour nor let terrorists
> > > > > > get away with
> > > > > > their acts, but I certainly dont agree in open bombing willy
> > > > > > nilly - just
> > > > > > because you think "you can".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have been to Kabul and it was a wreck then - all you are
> > > > > > doing is breaking
> > > > > > up a whole load of rubble!! but I suppose on that scale if
> > > > > > your gonna blow
> > > > > > up rubble you may as well bomb it up with a laser 
> guided bomb
> > > > > > - I think
> > > > > > every kid should have one.......get them one for Xmas and
> > > > > > maybe they can
> > > > > > defend their own backyards..... jeez theres a market there -
> > > > > > bollox to this
> > > > > > internet lark..........<door shuts......>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > 
> 
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