My own response inline as well. -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. --
> -----Original Message----- > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:08 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: How long? > > > If this makes you feel better, fine. More inline. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:01 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > the Northern Alliance has been as bad. Amnesty > International has also > > detailed some of the stuff they've done. But the difference > has been the > > Northern Alliance has not engaged in ethnic cleansing as the Taliban > > according to Amnesty. Also there has been no reports by > Amnesty of any NA > > massacres. In these cases Amnesty International, Medecins > Sans Frontieres > > and Human Rights Watch have been the only real credible sources > > in the area. > > What did these people do for years prior to becoming the NA? > These people > have killed each other for years. Our moral ground it weak. Not really, this is defense not offense. The various groups that make up the NA have been mujahaddeen since before the 1980's. Some were fighting for ethnic rights (the Hazaris, Uzbek and Tajeek groups) while others were anti-communist or regionalist (such as the late Masood). > > > However all 3 groups have faulted the NA mainly for mistreatment of > > prisoners and dissidents. They have not engaged in torture, > > crucifixion, or > > the horrific punishment they hand out to women (also very well > > documented - > > see http://www.rawa.org). > > Been there, watched the vids. What, one woman getting > executed? We do that > here. Hell, George Jr. killed more people in Texas while in > office than I > saw on those films. How do you know these people were not > killed for real > crimes? Baby killers or serial murders. You have no proof either way. One woman getting executed, how about the hundreds in the same province as where the Taliban destroyed those statues, Bagram province? Or the thousands when the Taliban took over Mazar-al-sharif, Dar-i-sur and Talidan? Amnesty International has amply documented the torture and executions of women, men who were not islamic enough for the Taliban and prisoners of war. These people are nasty to say the least. > > > The only things I have been able to find on any > > of these sites regarding the NA have been individual acts, > nothing as > > systematic as the torture and murder that the Taliban has > engaged in the > > last 5 years. > > > > Furthermore, as I said previously, I hope that the King > (who has been the > > only one of the Afghan players with any sort of a democratic > > tendency of the > > lot) is able to put together a coalition that is a viable > alternative. > > > > As for Vietnam, on a moral scale, what the US did there is > > nothing near what > > the Khmer Rouge did to their own people, or the reeducation > camps that the > > north Vietnamese operated both before and after the > conquest of the south. > > A moral scale? What the hell is that. We bombed them > relentlessly, killing > millions. Morale scale, were do I buy a calibrated one? Millions? Not so. Most estimates say in the tens of thousands, at most 150,000 over a 20 year period. Very different. How about the torture that the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong inflicted on the Vietnamese people. To a great extent their behavior is much more culpable. But you are attempting to divert the discussion. It is about Afghanistan. > > > > > As for what the US did to the Indians over a century ago, > that was over a > > century ago. BTW read what the Iroquois did to the Huron > for comparison. > > Granted, mans inhumanity to man. So, we want to ignore the > past atrocities > and just cook up a whole new set of them for our decendents > to say "As for > what the US did to the Afghani's over a century ago, that was > over a century > ago. BTW read what the US did to the Indians for comparison." No what we want to do is to say that those who committed the atrocities will answer for it. Western European, and North American countries have been the only countries that have tried their own people for war crimes. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
