Ok, here is the full long version of how I really feel about this all. In WW2 we seized countries, imprisoned huge swaths of the population and put them through training (de-nazification) in order to have them give up their previous belifs. In Japan we realized that they thought they were all ready to die, so instead we nuked them. Those two bombs, it's estimated, saved a million American lives that would have been lost in the invasion of the home islands.
Fast forward. In Afghanistan I think that the whole provincial reconstruction idea, given enough resources, will work. Iraq however is a different story. These people were indoctrinated to a way of life under the Hussein regime. Simply handign them the reins and askin gthem to do the right thing hasn't worked, because they don't know what the right thing is, telling them what the right thing is doesn't work because of the arab macho/cnspiracy attitude. We need to make them see so much horror, so much pain, that they don't want to fight ever again. Japan has pacifism written into their constitution, they never want to see war again. That's what we need. -----Original Message----- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:19 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: My Cousin was hit by an IED in Iraq If we keep down this path, your kids won't be in Iraq, but they'll be fighting an even bigger Al Qaeda somewhere else. On 3/5/07, Heald, Timothy J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are they innocent? They allowed themselves to be ruled by a tyrant. > They allow the insurgents to live in their community, they give them > food and money. > > I mean, we can talk about "the kids" all day. Seems like it's the lefts > favorite tactic in this country. > > You ever been military, combat arms? You have to make a million tough > dicisions a day. That only gets worse as you rise through the ranks. > The basics of this decision to me is the fact that I don't want my kids > in Iraq, and the only way I can insure that is to win total victory and > compliance, the way we did in WW2. Most of you people don't have the > staying power to do what we would need to do in iraq and Afghanistan in > order to win, that limits the range of possible responses, in my mind > bringing us down to nuke em. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:05 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: My Cousin was hit by an IED in Iraq > > Greg Wrote: > >I'd be okay with and not miss nuking that > >country and several others back to the stone age. > > Then I guess you are a much less moral person than I. I am NOT on board > with killing innocent people because they happen to live in a country > that I > don't like. > > How is the action of killing thousands of innocent people any more right > than Saddam himself doing it back in the 80's? > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 > 9:41 AM > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:229470 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
