Again, I understand that what Ted Kennedy has tried to do (even if I may not agree with him on some of it). I guess after Michael Jackson nearly being sainted after his death and the talk of Teddy being a 'hero' (and the long standing angst I have about how some people treat the Kennedys as quasi-royalty), I kind of blew a gasket.
It says a lot that he was able to serve in the Senate as long as he has. I think the last few terms are what really helped define his legacy as he almost became a different 'Teddy' On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dana<[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> The coverage has been puke inducing, and so was the coverage of Reagan's >> death > > > ok so...we are on the same page kinda. I find it a little less annoying, > because I do agree with some of the things they are saying, whereas it took > a real effort to remain polite about Reagan, But I feel you. > > >> .Please point out where I said I did not think it was a loss, because >> must have missed it. >> > > You didn't exactly. I extrapolated from the rather angry tone of your post. > If you feel that there is one, fair enough then, carry on. > > > > > >> >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Dana<[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > well yeah some of the coverage must seem puke-inducing to you. Hang in >> > there, it's almost over -- the funeral is today isn't it? But I am with >> > Judah. The guy was nowhere near perfect, but! He is said to have been one >> of >> > the Senate's best negociators. One of the people most noted for eliciting >> > consensus is no longer on the public scene. And you don't think that's a >> > loss? >> > >> > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> When I used the word 'hero', it was because I have seen him called a >> >> 'hero' in some news articles. >> >> >> >> I wonder how people would feel if Michael Vick drove his car off a >> >> bridge that resulted in the death of a woman and Ted Kennedy was into >> >> dog fighting. Honestly, I think the prison terms and public opinion >> >> towards both would be no different. >> >> >> >> I think what Vick did was despicable. I think what Kennedy did that >> >> night on the Dike Bridge was despicable. Yet, Vick does not seem >> >> worthy of a second chance to many people (from your comments, I think >> >> its safe to assume you are one of those people). I wonder why that >> >> is. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Judah McAuley<[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I didn't call Ted Kennedy a hero, you did. I have never used the >> >> > phrase about him and doubt I ever will. I think he was a good guy and >> >> > I think he spent a lifetime trying to do good by people. That doesn't >> >> > make him a hero though, that's what I want from everyone. I called him >> >> > the American Hero because you were using it so dismissively. You were >> >> > trolling and so I threw it right back in your face. >> >> > >> >> > And yeah, if he had a different last night, I bet he probably would >> >> > have been treated differently. I was the first one to write in to this >> >> > list about Ted Kennedy and I specifically said he had some serious >> >> > flaws in his life and probably caused the death of a woman. Straight >> >> > up. >> >> > >> >> > Do I think that makes his decades of service any less important or >> >> > worthwhile? Nope. Do I think that puts him in the same league as a >> >> > punk who tortures animals for fun and profit and gets idolized for >> >> > ridiculous game? Nope. >> >> > >> >> > Ted Kennedy was no saint. I think he was a pretty good man though. You >> >> > want to talk about the pros and cons of his life and legacy, don't >> >> > start by trolling. >> >> > >> >> > Judah >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hero? Really? Ted Kennedy is a 'hero'? I guess the bar for the >> 'hero' >> >> >> label has been lowered quite a bit. >> >> >> >> >> >> I will not try to take away anything from the man's service to the >> >> >> people of Massachusetts, but I think calling him a 'hero' is >> >> >> stretching it quite a bit. >> >> >> >> >> >> I love it, Teddy not only gets a pass for Chappaquiddick but is >> >> >> labeled a 'hero', but Mike Vick doesn't even seem to deserve a second >> >> >> chance or the opportunity to try and makes things better for others. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'd be willing to bet the money Vick makes as an athlete pales in >> >> >> comparison to the money Teddy made as a politician. I would also be >> >> >> willing to bet that if the man who drove that car off the Dike Bridge >> >> >> had a different last name, the outcome would have been quite a bit >> >> >> different. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sadly, I would have expected a bit more insight from you Judah. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Judah McAuley<[email protected] >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Actually a lot of people think that a woman died in murky >> >> >>> circumstances in which an American Hero's judgment is certainly at >> >> >>> fault. And many of those people think that the person convicted of >> >> >>> breeding and torturing animals deliberately over a period of years >> for >> >> >>> profit and "sport" is more of a sick fuck than someone who fucked up >> >> >>> in his youth through negligence rather than malice. And some of >> those >> >> >>> people think that the American Hero spent the rest of his life >> trying >> >> >>> to make things better for every single person in the country and the >> >> >>> other dude is spending his time making a fortune playing with a >> ball. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Yes, I'm guilty of rank hypocrisy. Got a problem with that do you >> >> Scott? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Scott Stroz<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> A lot of the same people who think a man convicted of dog fighting, >> >> >>>> who served a prison term, should not be able to get a job in his >> >> >>>> chosen profession also think that a man who killed a woman, and >> never >> >> >>>> went to jail, is an 'American Hero' >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> Scott Stroz >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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