On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:58 PM, denstar wrote: >>> Those aren't moral issues. >> >> How is gay marriage not a moral issue? You think it's a health issue? >> Infrastructural? > > Nobody cares that they're doing it. They just don't want to share the > word. Abortion is about when life begins, that's a different fight. We > all care3 about life, when it starts is the dispute.
"Nobody cares" is blatantly false. Have you seen some of the stuff a *lot* of R's have been saying about The Gays? How many D's say shit like that? Life is an interesting concept. Caring about it, too. How is it ok to fry criminals (even though our justice system is flawed, so we could be (and are) frying innocents), when life is so sacred? How is it ok to go to war before we've exhausted all the other options, if life is so important? There's no nebulous "are they really alive" type arguments there, but I don't see the "pro-life" folks all up in arms about it. >>> Isn't Obama extending the faith based initiatives? You should be outraged. >>> What prayer in school? Are you talking about prayer rooms with arrows >>> pointing to Mecca? >> We're talking party platforms now, try to keep up. =) > > So it's not who you vote for it's what the party says? > That's gotta suck when your in the booth hittin all d's cause you like > the platform. > Group think rocks:P > >> Are Democrats in favor of faith based initiatives? As in favor as the >> Republicans, you think? > > I don't vote R or D, I vote for the individual. > >> An "Obama lover". Right-o, Sambo! > > Nope, I see now that you voted for a Democrat and Obama is the > placeholder. That's why you're content. Obama was not the only Democrat running, was he? It was nice to vote for someone, instead of against someone else. I liked Ron Paul too. LOL. Ah, life. The "individual" is awesome, but our system isn't run by individuals. When *way too many* votes come down to party lines (especially on the R side!), you can't ignore what the party stands for. A Republican telling a Democrat about Group Think. That's rich. =) I'm pretty sure there are Democratic deals where you can't get in unless you sign a form saying you agree with everybody else there. Not. >> Some people are only concerned about the short term, like Apple. > > ??? Short term less profit, vs. long term more profit. People who only get one marshmallow, because they can't delay their gratification long enough to get two. >> But I don't know crap about economics. Fer reals! > > So why are you so comfortable? I'm not the one saying he has all the answers. ... > You mean we hit bottom and it plateaued? So you're comforted that > we're no longer falling? It's supposed to move up now. Really. Isn't is "sluggishly" moving up now? >> I was expecting it to be *way* worse. We'd dug a pretty deep hole. > > So you are pleased. Yes, and I *love* Obama. You are the one dealing in absolutes, not I. ... >> Again with Obama? Why are you so infatuated with the man? Do you >> have a secret bromance or mancrush going on or what? =) > > He's the man making the decisions that effect all the people around me. Really? >>> Hasn't that gotten much worse under Obama's admin? >>> You should yell at him not me, I'm not supporting it. >> >> We are yelling at him. And Congress, etc.. > > I didn't hear. You don't want to, because you are infatuated with Obama. ... >> But again, I feel like Republicans would trade their freedoms for >> security. Ironic, a government keeping them safe. > > I'm sorry you feel that way but there's now way to change that. It's not "feeling", it's history. Not that the Dems have been much better. Change my opinion by not saying shit like "they deserve torture", and "if you're not doing anything wrong you've nothing to fear". Bah. We all need to rage against the machine on this one. =) >> And, yes, you were one who said "what's the big deal? They already >> had that power, etc..", weren't you? > > You talking about presidential powers during war? Let's take ti out of > context and pretend I want your bedroom tapped. No, I'm talking about removing the checks on power, and the idea that since they had the power already, we don't need the checks. Maybe that was Rob's argument though. ... >> America -- MY America -- doesn't do shit like that. > > We didn't, your right. Do you mean nothing happened, or that it was just individuals and not "us"? >> We don't condone vigilante justice. > > Agreed, who said we did? You said the stuff that, didn't happen(?), was ok to do because it was only 3 people and they deserved it. You, personally, said that. In this very thread. ... >> I don't hate Bush, he just fucked up. A lot. And it wasn't really >> him, either. It was the whole god-damned process. > > Yeah, now you go into all this conspiracy weirdo shit and I lose you :) I'm talking about putting, and keeping, that mentality in power. Your brand of mentality. The chick deserved the head step. The terrorists deserved the water-boarding. That it should be *legal* to listen in on citizens telephone calls (even with the caveat that it's only the over-seas ones). That Religion is getting "pushed out" of the Government. That the government should be deciding who lives and who dies, and what constitutes "life". &c. >> And, especially, us. We fucked up. As a people, as America. I don't >> want to forget it, and I don't want it to just be a stick we beat >> Republicans with, either. > > Because we elected Bush and he hurt the terrorists feelings ... Because fuckers like you try to justify the crap instead of just saying it's wrong. :) I say fucker in an endearing way. I consider you a friend, tho our viewpoints differ. >> Again, it's *us* who fucked up bad, not Bush. Forgive me for using >> him the way you use Obama. It's not super constructive. >> But it can be kinda fun, so, eh... never mind. Use Obama all you want. > > You're in a place were you think we as America are evil. That's why ... I don't think America is evil. I love America. We can be fuckers sometimes, but who can't? America FUCK YEAH! :Den -- Jesus is the God whom we can approach without pride and before whom we can humble ourselves without d ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:330666 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
