As long as there are those who long harbour a grudge, or those who just see the US is a big target of (fill in whatever grievance here) held by some idiot group with more fanaticism than brains there is going to be a need for a professional army. Because of that you need a professional army. The US is too outward looking now not to have such. It is too dependent on the outside world and vise versa. We've irrevocably changed from the insular minor power of 120 years ago. Its much too late for that. The US is too big and too diverse for the Swiss or Israeli army models. It needs a substantially sized military to provide for adequate defense. And frankly that defense is better on someone else's territory than ours. That's why we have buffer states.
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Israeli army is certainly not the best in the world. I doubt seriously > that they could conduct a real forced entry expeditionary mission anywhere > in the world, they simply aren't built for it. Small raid into Gaza sure. > Great defensive force, absolutely. Their Air Force is second to none. > Their intelligence services are second to none. Their special ops guys are > top notch. They simply cannot seize and hold land the way we can. They > have neither the naval nor air based capability to move the number of > troops needed to do those kinds of missions, nor are their soldiers trained > for assault/expeditionary work. Primarily they are located in built up > static defensive positions along various borders. > > Part of this is that simply I no longer want the federal governmenbt to > have access to a professional Army. A defensive force is all we need. > Between our economic might and our geographic location, no one is going to > be able to invade us. > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> Anything looks good when you consider what they face. Look at what the >> United States has done in just 25 years, it took a drug infested >> conscript army that barely capable of scratching its collective asses >> to one that was capable of one of the most amazing advances, that of >> the 3rd Infantry Division going from its start line to entering Bagdad >> in such a short time. >> >> Moreover if your going to credit the Israeli army then you also have >> to recognize the tactical rigidity it displayed in the recent combat >> with Hezbollah. Yes they won eventually, but it should have been a >> cakewalk. They used the same armour heavy tactics against a well dug >> in enemy heavily supply with ATGM. In my mind repeated frontal armour >> attacks in such a situation is not excellence, its complacence and the >> enlisted as usual paid for it. Not the senior commanders responsible. >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > No...the Israeli army is considered to be he best in the world. >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > Three Ravens Consulting >> > Eric Roberts >> > Owner/Developer >> > [email protected] >> > tel: 630-486-5255 >> > fax: 630-310-8531 >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:59 AM >> > To: cf-community >> > Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or >> > something? >> > >> > >> > compared to what? the arabs surrounding them. >> > >> > Simple natural experiment look at the relative performances of the US >> army >> > pre and post all volunteer doctrine. The all volunteer army in Iraq, >> > especially the taking down of the Iraqi Army, has completely outperformed >> > the draftee army of the Vietnam era. >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Eric Roberts >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Not sure I agree with that. The Israeli army is pretty damn good... >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Three Ravens Consulting >> >> Eric Roberts >> >> Owner/Developer >> >> [email protected] >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:35 AM >> >> To: cf-community >> >> Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or >> >> something? >> >> >> >> >> >> Not sure whether that would work all that well. Up until recently the >> >> volunteer military was nearly the best in the world. Conscript armies >> >> are typically nowhere near that good. I think something like a >> >> National Service would work better. Something similar to the Civilan >> >> Conservation Corps during the 30's. But with a military option as >> >> well. If everyone is required to serve in the military, how soon >> >> before everything else become militarized and we are all servants of >> >> the military. Latin America of the 70's and 80's showed how well that >> sort >> > of arrangement worked. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eric Roberts >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I actually think that mandatory military service would solve a lot of >> >>> issues. We take too much for granted. >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------------ >> >>> Three Ravens Consulting >> >>> Eric Roberts >> >>> Owner/Developer >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> tel: 630-486-5255 >> >>> fax: 630-310-8531 >> >>> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >>> ------------------------------------ >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:22 PM >> >>> To: cf-community >> >>> Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or >> >>> something? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Btw, I wouldn't have nearly the problem if we had a rigorous and >> >>> continuous education system for firearms ownership and use. Something >> >>> akin to a marshal arts training academy where you not only learn how >> >>> to fight but when to fight, how to engage and (most importantly) how >> >>> and >> >> when to walk away. >> >>> >> >>> It would also be different if we had a mandatory military service >> >>> period, ala Israel, that required rigorous training in firearms >> >>> safety and engagement. If we really want a commonly armed citizenry, >> >>> we ought to do away with the volunteer military and establish a >> >>> mandatory service period with appropriate training. I've gone back >> >>> and forth of the wisdom of such an approach. It's something I'm still >> >>> mulling over and can see the pros and cons of. >> >>> >> >>> Judah >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:354162 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
