Well as I've said I disagree with the libertarian plank in several areas. Most notably immigration, free markets/fair markets and defense.
I don't want conscription or a draft. Those programs were discriminatory and corrupt. I just want to make it this for that. With rights come responsibility. I don't think you should even have the vote if you don't serve. I like Heinlein's government in the NOVEL Starship Troopers. NOT the movie where they turned them into Nazi clones haha. On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > > So why have reluctant draftees. I'd rather be working with excellent > soldiers who are there because they volunteered not slave soldiers. If > anything Tim given your libertarian beliefs you should be totally > against conscription. > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:26 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > If what we want is to be the worlds police/expeditionary force than I > would > > agree with you. > > > > That however is not what I want for our future. I would prefer to see a > > real defense force based on border protection and internal security, > with a > > small expeditionary force likely under the Department of State. > > > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> > >> compared to what? the arabs surrounding them. > >> > >> Simple natural experiment look at the relative performances of the US > >> army pre and post all volunteer doctrine. The all volunteer army in > >> Iraq, especially the taking down of the Iraqi Army, has completely > >> outperformed the draftee army of the Vietnam era. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Eric Roberts > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > Not sure I agree with that. The Israeli army is pretty damn good... > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > Three Ravens Consulting > >> > Eric Roberts > >> > Owner/Developer > >> > [email protected] > >> > tel: 630-486-5255 > >> > fax: 630-310-8531 > >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:35 AM > >> > To: cf-community > >> > Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or > >> > something? > >> > > >> > > >> > Not sure whether that would work all that well. Up until recently the > >> > volunteer military was nearly the best in the world. Conscript armies > are > >> > typically nowhere near that good. I think something like a National > >> Service > >> > would work better. Something similar to the Civilan Conservation Corps > >> > during the 30's. But with a military option as well. If everyone is > >> required > >> > to serve in the military, how soon before everything else become > >> militarized > >> > and we are all servants of the military. Latin America of the 70's and > >> 80's > >> > showed how well that sort of arrangement worked. > >> > > >> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eric Roberts > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I actually think that mandatory military service would solve a lot of > >> >> issues. We take too much for granted. > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> Three Ravens Consulting > >> >> Eric Roberts > >> >> Owner/Developer > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 > >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 > >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:22 PM > >> >> To: cf-community > >> >> Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or > >> >> something? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Btw, I wouldn't have nearly the problem if we had a rigorous and > >> >> continuous education system for firearms ownership and use. Something > >> >> akin to a marshal arts training academy where you not only learn how > >> >> to fight but when to fight, how to engage and (most importantly) how > and > >> > when to walk away. > >> >> > >> >> It would also be different if we had a mandatory military service > >> >> period, ala Israel, that required rigorous training in firearms > safety > >> >> and engagement. If we really want a commonly armed citizenry, we > ought > >> >> to do away with the volunteer military and establish a mandatory > >> >> service period with appropriate training. I've gone back and forth of > >> >> the wisdom of such an approach. It's something I'm still mulling over > >> >> and can see the pros and cons of. > >> >> > >> >> Judah > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:354157 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
