If what we want is to be the worlds police/expeditionary force than I would
agree with you.

That however is not what I want for our future.  I would prefer to see a
real defense force based on border protection and internal security, with a
small expeditionary force likely under the Department of State.

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote:

>
> compared to what? the arabs surrounding them.
>
> Simple natural experiment look at the relative performances of the US
> army pre and post all volunteer doctrine. The all volunteer army in
> Iraq, especially the taking down of the Iraqi Army, has completely
> outperformed the draftee army of the Vietnam era.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Eric Roberts
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure I agree with that.  The Israeli army is pretty damn good...
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Three Ravens Consulting
> > Eric Roberts
> > Owner/Developer
> > [email protected]
> > tel: 630-486-5255
> > fax: 630-310-8531
> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:35 AM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or
> > something?
> >
> >
> > Not sure whether that would work all that well. Up until recently the
> > volunteer military was nearly the best in the world. Conscript armies are
> > typically nowhere near that good. I think something like a National
> Service
> > would work better. Something similar to the Civilan Conservation Corps
> > during the 30's. But with a military option as well. If everyone is
> required
> > to serve in the military, how soon before everything else become
> militarized
> > and we are all servants of the military. Latin America of the 70's and
> 80's
> > showed how well that sort of arrangement worked.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eric Roberts
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I actually think that mandatory military service would solve a lot of
> >> issues.  We take too much for granted.
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >> Three Ravens Consulting
> >> Eric Roberts
> >> Owner/Developer
> >> [email protected]
> >> tel: 630-486-5255
> >> fax: 630-310-8531
> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:22 PM
> >> To: cf-community
> >> Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or
> >> something?
> >>
> >>
> >> Btw, I wouldn't have nearly the problem if we had a rigorous and
> >> continuous education system for firearms ownership and use. Something
> >> akin to a marshal arts training academy where you not only learn how
> >> to fight but when to fight, how to engage and (most importantly) how and
> > when to walk away.
> >>
> >> It would also be different if we had a mandatory military service
> >> period, ala Israel, that required rigorous training in firearms safety
> >> and engagement. If we really want a commonly armed citizenry, we ought
> >> to do away with the volunteer military and establish a mandatory
> >> service period with appropriate training. I've gone back and forth of
> >> the wisdom of such an approach. It's something I'm still mulling over
> >> and can see the pros and cons of.
> >>
> >> Judah
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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