The Anime series much closer to the book. About the only good thing about the movies were the full frontals of certain cast members.
You need to read the book again Tim. It was not just military service that got your citizenship. It was any federal service for the same amount of time. And it was for anyone, if they were of age they could try for it one time and one time only. The ideal was that you deserved your citizenship by demonstrating that you were willing to serve. The service was quite broad from military service through risky experimental physics on Pluto to working in the Antarctic etc. Heinlein was never offering a libertarian utopia, his was a very conservative Middle America with a larger government involvement in the economy and still offering a fair degree of individual liberty. Crime was much more rigidly enforced with corporal punishments in public.Unions and guilds had a much larger impact on the society. There are a few paragraphs where Ricardo's father is complaining about union negotiations. The over all image I got of the society was sort of like late 19th century Missouri with spaceships. A conservative fantasy rather than a manifesto. On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well as I've said I disagree with the libertarian plank in several areas. > Most notably immigration, free markets/fair markets and defense. > > I don't want conscription or a draft. Those programs were discriminatory > and corrupt. I just want to make it this for that. With rights come > responsibility. > > I don't think you should even have the vote if you don't serve. > > I like Heinlein's government in the NOVEL Starship Troopers. NOT the movie > where they turned them into Nazi clones haha. > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> So why have reluctant draftees. I'd rather be working with excellent >> soldiers who are there because they volunteered not slave soldiers. If >> anything Tim given your libertarian beliefs you should be totally >> against conscription. >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:26 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > If what we want is to be the worlds police/expeditionary force than I >> would >> > agree with you. >> > >> > That however is not what I want for our future. I would prefer to see a >> > real defense force based on border protection and internal security, >> with a >> > small expeditionary force likely under the Department of State. >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> compared to what? the arabs surrounding them. >> >> >> >> Simple natural experiment look at the relative performances of the US >> >> army pre and post all volunteer doctrine. The all volunteer army in >> >> Iraq, especially the taking down of the Iraqi Army, has completely >> >> outperformed the draftee army of the Vietnam era. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Eric Roberts >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Not sure I agree with that. The Israeli army is pretty damn good... >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------ >> >> > Three Ravens Consulting >> >> > Eric Roberts >> >> > Owner/Developer >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > tel: 630-486-5255 >> >> > fax: 630-310-8531 >> >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> > ------------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:35 AM >> >> > To: cf-community >> >> > Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or >> >> > something? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Not sure whether that would work all that well. Up until recently the >> >> > volunteer military was nearly the best in the world. Conscript armies >> are >> >> > typically nowhere near that good. I think something like a National >> >> Service >> >> > would work better. Something similar to the Civilan Conservation Corps >> >> > during the 30's. But with a military option as well. If everyone is >> >> required >> >> > to serve in the military, how soon before everything else become >> >> militarized >> >> > and we are all servants of the military. Latin America of the 70's and >> >> 80's >> >> > showed how well that sort of arrangement worked. >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eric Roberts >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I actually think that mandatory military service would solve a lot of >> >> >> issues. We take too much for granted. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> Three Ravens Consulting >> >> >> Eric Roberts >> >> >> Owner/Developer >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 >> >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 >> >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:22 PM >> >> >> To: cf-community >> >> >> Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or >> >> >> something? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Btw, I wouldn't have nearly the problem if we had a rigorous and >> >> >> continuous education system for firearms ownership and use. Something >> >> >> akin to a marshal arts training academy where you not only learn how >> >> >> to fight but when to fight, how to engage and (most importantly) how >> and >> >> > when to walk away. >> >> >> >> >> >> It would also be different if we had a mandatory military service >> >> >> period, ala Israel, that required rigorous training in firearms >> safety >> >> >> and engagement. If we really want a commonly armed citizenry, we >> ought >> >> >> to do away with the volunteer military and establish a mandatory >> >> >> service period with appropriate training. I've gone back and forth of >> >> >> the wisdom of such an approach. It's something I'm still mulling over >> >> >> and can see the pros and cons of. >> >> >> >> >> >> Judah >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:354160 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
