I've read almost everything he's written, including non-fiction. I read SST several times a year. I also feel that there should be non-military service options available. Medical, police, fire and so forth.
He was very much a libertarian, he hated the left and the reds like no other. You should read his writings on his travels through the Soviet Union. Really interesting stuff. Have you read the moon is a harsh mistress? Stranger in a strange land? Lazarus Long and Methuselah's Children? Remember this is the man who said (paraphrasing) make whatever laws you will, if I don't like them I will ignore them. I am a free man. I <3 Heinlein :) On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > > The Anime series much closer to the book. About the only good thing > about the movies were the full frontals of certain cast members. > > You need to read the book again Tim. It was not just military service > that got your citizenship. It was any federal service for the same > amount of time. And it was for anyone, if they were of age they could > try for it one time and one time only. The ideal was that you deserved > your citizenship by demonstrating that you were willing to serve. The > service was quite broad from military service through risky > experimental physics on Pluto to working in the Antarctic etc. > > Heinlein was never offering a libertarian utopia, his was a very > conservative Middle America with a larger government involvement in > the economy and still offering a fair degree of individual liberty. > Crime was much more rigidly enforced with corporal punishments in > public.Unions and guilds had a much larger impact on the society. > There are a few paragraphs where Ricardo's father is complaining about > union negotiations. The over all image I got of the society was sort > of like late 19th century Missouri with spaceships. A conservative > fantasy rather than a manifesto. > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well as I've said I disagree with the libertarian plank in several areas. > > Most notably immigration, free markets/fair markets and defense. > > > > I don't want conscription or a draft. Those programs were discriminatory > > and corrupt. I just want to make it this for that. With rights come > > responsibility. > > > > I don't think you should even have the vote if you don't serve. > > > > I like Heinlein's government in the NOVEL Starship Troopers. NOT the > movie > > where they turned them into Nazi clones haha. > > > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> > >> So why have reluctant draftees. I'd rather be working with excellent > >> soldiers who are there because they volunteered not slave soldiers. If > >> anything Tim given your libertarian beliefs you should be totally > >> against conscription. > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:26 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > If what we want is to be the worlds police/expeditionary force than I > >> would > >> > agree with you. > >> > > >> > That however is not what I want for our future. I would prefer to > see a > >> > real defense force based on border protection and internal security, > >> with a > >> > small expeditionary force likely under the Department of State. > >> > > >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > [email protected] > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> compared to what? the arabs surrounding them. > >> >> > >> >> Simple natural experiment look at the relative performances of the US > >> >> army pre and post all volunteer doctrine. The all volunteer army in > >> >> Iraq, especially the taking down of the Iraqi Army, has completely > >> >> outperformed the draftee army of the Vietnam era. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Eric Roberts > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Not sure I agree with that. The Israeli army is pretty damn > good... > >> >> > > >> >> > ------------------------------------ > >> >> > Three Ravens Consulting > >> >> > Eric Roberts > >> >> > Owner/Developer > >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> > tel: 630-486-5255 > >> >> > fax: 630-310-8531 > >> >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> >> > ------------------------------------ > >> >> > > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:35 AM > >> >> > To: cf-community > >> >> > Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress > or > >> >> > something? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Not sure whether that would work all that well. Up until recently > the > >> >> > volunteer military was nearly the best in the world. Conscript > armies > >> are > >> >> > typically nowhere near that good. I think something like a National > >> >> Service > >> >> > would work better. Something similar to the Civilan Conservation > Corps > >> >> > during the 30's. But with a military option as well. If everyone is > >> >> required > >> >> > to serve in the military, how soon before everything else become > >> >> militarized > >> >> > and we are all servants of the military. Latin America of the 70's > and > >> >> 80's > >> >> > showed how well that sort of arrangement worked. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eric Roberts > >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I actually think that mandatory military service would solve a > lot of > >> >> >> issues. We take too much for granted. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> >> Three Ravens Consulting > >> >> >> Eric Roberts > >> >> >> Owner/Developer > >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 > >> >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 > >> >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:22 PM > >> >> >> To: cf-community > >> >> >> Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under > stress or > >> >> >> something? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Btw, I wouldn't have nearly the problem if we had a rigorous and > >> >> >> continuous education system for firearms ownership and use. > Something > >> >> >> akin to a marshal arts training academy where you not only learn > how > >> >> >> to fight but when to fight, how to engage and (most importantly) > how > >> and > >> >> > when to walk away. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It would also be different if we had a mandatory military service > >> >> >> period, ala Israel, that required rigorous training in firearms > >> safety > >> >> >> and engagement. If we really want a commonly armed citizenry, we > >> ought > >> >> >> to do away with the volunteer military and establish a mandatory > >> >> >> service period with appropriate training. I've gone back and > forth of > >> >> >> the wisdom of such an approach. It's something I'm still mulling > over > >> >> >> and can see the pros and cons of. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Judah > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:354165 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
