where is that from btw. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:29 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, this is the actual quote I'm talking about: > > *I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am > free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I > tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free > because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.* > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> I'm still in the process of collecting Heinlein's uncollected short >> stories, so yes I think I've read most of his stuff. And btw you have >> the quote wrong. Here's the actual quote: >> >> "Geniuses and supergeniuses always make their own rules about sex as >> on everything else; they do not accept the monkey customs of their >> lessers." >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I've read almost everything he's written, including non-fiction. I read >> > SST several times a year. I also feel that there should be non-military >> > service options available. Medical, police, fire and so forth. >> > >> > He was very much a libertarian, he hated the left and the reds like no >> > other. You should read his writings on his travels through the Soviet >> > Union. Really interesting stuff. >> > >> > Have you read the moon is a harsh mistress? Stranger in a strange land? >> > Lazarus Long and Methuselah's Children? >> > >> > Remember this is the man who said (paraphrasing) make whatever laws you >> > will, if I don't like them I will ignore them. I am a free man. >> > >> > I <3 Heinlein :) >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> The Anime series much closer to the book. About the only good thing >> >> about the movies were the full frontals of certain cast members. >> >> >> >> You need to read the book again Tim. It was not just military service >> >> that got your citizenship. It was any federal service for the same >> >> amount of time. And it was for anyone, if they were of age they could >> >> try for it one time and one time only. The ideal was that you deserved >> >> your citizenship by demonstrating that you were willing to serve. The >> >> service was quite broad from military service through risky >> >> experimental physics on Pluto to working in the Antarctic etc. >> >> >> >> Heinlein was never offering a libertarian utopia, his was a very >> >> conservative Middle America with a larger government involvement in >> >> the economy and still offering a fair degree of individual liberty. >> >> Crime was much more rigidly enforced with corporal punishments in >> >> public.Unions and guilds had a much larger impact on the society. >> >> There are a few paragraphs where Ricardo's father is complaining about >> >> union negotiations. The over all image I got of the society was sort >> >> of like late 19th century Missouri with spaceships. A conservative >> >> fantasy rather than a manifesto. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Well as I've said I disagree with the libertarian plank in several >> areas. >> >> > Most notably immigration, free markets/fair markets and defense. >> >> > >> >> > I don't want conscription or a draft. Those programs were >> discriminatory >> >> > and corrupt. I just want to make it this for that. With rights come >> >> > responsibility. >> >> > >> >> > I don't think you should even have the vote if you don't serve. >> >> > >> >> > I like Heinlein's government in the NOVEL Starship Troopers. NOT the >> >> movie >> >> > where they turned them into Nazi clones haha. >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Larry C. Lyons < >> [email protected] >> >> >wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> So why have reluctant draftees. I'd rather be working with excellent >> >> >> soldiers who are there because they volunteered not slave soldiers. >> If >> >> >> anything Tim given your libertarian beliefs you should be totally >> >> >> against conscription. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:26 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If what we want is to be the worlds police/expeditionary force >> than I >> >> >> would >> >> >> > agree with you. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > That however is not what I want for our future. I would prefer to >> >> see a >> >> >> > real defense force based on border protection and internal >> security, >> >> >> with a >> >> >> > small expeditionary force likely under the Department of State. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons < >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> compared to what? the arabs surrounding them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Simple natural experiment look at the relative performances of >> the US >> >> >> >> army pre and post all volunteer doctrine. The all volunteer army >> in >> >> >> >> Iraq, especially the taking down of the Iraqi Army, has completely >> >> >> >> outperformed the draftee army of the Vietnam era. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Eric Roberts >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Not sure I agree with that. The Israeli army is pretty damn >> >> good... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> > Three Ravens Consulting >> >> >> >> > Eric Roberts >> >> >> >> > Owner/Developer >> >> >> >> > [email protected] >> >> >> >> > tel: 630-486-5255 >> >> >> >> > fax: 630-310-8531 >> >> >> >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:35 AM >> >> >> >> > To: cf-community >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under >> stress >> >> or >> >> >> >> > something? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Not sure whether that would work all that well. Up until >> recently >> >> the >> >> >> >> > volunteer military was nearly the best in the world. Conscript >> >> armies >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> > typically nowhere near that good. I think something like a >> National >> >> >> >> Service >> >> >> >> > would work better. Something similar to the Civilan Conservation >> >> Corps >> >> >> >> > during the 30's. But with a military option as well. If >> everyone is >> >> >> >> required >> >> >> >> > to serve in the military, how soon before everything else become >> >> >> >> militarized >> >> >> >> > and we are all servants of the military. Latin America of the >> 70's >> >> and >> >> >> >> 80's >> >> >> >> > showed how well that sort of arrangement worked. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eric Roberts >> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I actually think that mandatory military service would solve a >> >> lot of >> >> >> >> >> issues. We take too much for granted. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> Three Ravens Consulting >> >> >> >> >> Eric Roberts >> >> >> >> >> Owner/Developer >> >> >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 >> >> >> >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 >> >> >> >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:22 PM >> >> >> >> >> To: cf-community >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under >> >> stress or >> >> >> >> >> something? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Btw, I wouldn't have nearly the problem if we had a rigorous >> and >> >> >> >> >> continuous education system for firearms ownership and use. >> >> Something >> >> >> >> >> akin to a marshal arts training academy where you not only >> learn >> >> how >> >> >> >> >> to fight but when to fight, how to engage and (most >> importantly) >> >> how >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > when to walk away. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It would also be different if we had a mandatory military >> service >> >> >> >> >> period, ala Israel, that required rigorous training in firearms >> >> >> safety >> >> >> >> >> and engagement. If we really want a commonly armed citizenry, >> we >> >> >> ought >> >> >> >> >> to do away with the volunteer military and establish a >> mandatory >> >> >> >> >> service period with appropriate training. I've gone back and >> >> forth of >> >> >> >> >> the wisdom of such an approach. It's something I'm still >> mulling >> >> over >> >> >> >> >> and can see the pros and cons of. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Judah >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
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