The moon is a harsh mistress. On Aug 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > where is that from btw. > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:29 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No, this is the actual quote I'm talking about: > > > > *I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am > > free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I > > tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free > > because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.* > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> > >> I'm still in the process of collecting Heinlein's uncollected short > >> stories, so yes I think I've read most of his stuff. And btw you have > >> the quote wrong. Here's the actual quote: > >> > >> "Geniuses and supergeniuses always make their own rules about sex as > >> on everything else; they do not accept the monkey customs of their > >> lessers." > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > I've read almost everything he's written, including non-fiction. I > read > >> > SST several times a year. I also feel that there should be > non-military > >> > service options available. Medical, police, fire and so forth. > >> > > >> > He was very much a libertarian, he hated the left and the reds like no > >> > other. You should read his writings on his travels through the Soviet > >> > Union. Really interesting stuff. > >> > > >> > Have you read the moon is a harsh mistress? Stranger in a strange > land? > >> > Lazarus Long and Methuselah's Children? > >> > > >> > Remember this is the man who said (paraphrasing) make whatever laws > you > >> > will, if I don't like them I will ignore them. I am a free man. > >> > > >> > I <3 Heinlein :) > >> > > >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Larry C. Lyons < > [email protected] > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> The Anime series much closer to the book. About the only good thing > >> >> about the movies were the full frontals of certain cast members. > >> >> > >> >> You need to read the book again Tim. It was not just military service > >> >> that got your citizenship. It was any federal service for the same > >> >> amount of time. And it was for anyone, if they were of age they could > >> >> try for it one time and one time only. The ideal was that you > deserved > >> >> your citizenship by demonstrating that you were willing to serve. The > >> >> service was quite broad from military service through risky > >> >> experimental physics on Pluto to working in the Antarctic etc. > >> >> > >> >> Heinlein was never offering a libertarian utopia, his was a very > >> >> conservative Middle America with a larger government involvement in > >> >> the economy and still offering a fair degree of individual liberty. > >> >> Crime was much more rigidly enforced with corporal punishments in > >> >> public.Unions and guilds had a much larger impact on the society. > >> >> There are a few paragraphs where Ricardo's father is complaining > about > >> >> union negotiations. The over all image I got of the society was sort > >> >> of like late 19th century Missouri with spaceships. A conservative > >> >> fantasy rather than a manifesto. > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Well as I've said I disagree with the libertarian plank in several > >> areas. > >> >> > Most notably immigration, free markets/fair markets and defense. > >> >> > > >> >> > I don't want conscription or a draft. Those programs were > >> discriminatory > >> >> > and corrupt. I just want to make it this for that. With rights > come > >> >> > responsibility. > >> >> > > >> >> > I don't think you should even have the vote if you don't serve. > >> >> > > >> >> > I like Heinlein's government in the NOVEL Starship Troopers. NOT > the > >> >> movie > >> >> > where they turned them into Nazi clones haha. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Larry C. Lyons < > >> [email protected] > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> So why have reluctant draftees. I'd rather be working with > excellent > >> >> >> soldiers who are there because they volunteered not slave > soldiers. > >> If > >> >> >> anything Tim given your libertarian beliefs you should be totally > >> >> >> against conscription. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:26 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > If what we want is to be the worlds police/expeditionary force > >> than I > >> >> >> would > >> >> >> > agree with you. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > That however is not what I want for our future. I would prefer > to > >> >> see a > >> >> >> > real defense force based on border protection and internal > >> security, > >> >> >> with a > >> >> >> > small expeditionary force likely under the Department of State. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> compared to what? the arabs surrounding them. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Simple natural experiment look at the relative performances of > >> the US > >> >> >> >> army pre and post all volunteer doctrine. The all volunteer > army > >> in > >> >> >> >> Iraq, especially the taking down of the Iraqi Army, has > completely > >> >> >> >> outperformed the draftee army of the Vietnam era. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Eric Roberts > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Not sure I agree with that. The Israeli army is pretty damn > >> >> good... > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------ > >> >> >> >> > Three Ravens Consulting > >> >> >> >> > Eric Roberts > >> >> >> >> > Owner/Developer > >> >> >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> >> >> > tel: 630-486-5255 > >> >> >> >> > fax: 630-310-8531 > >> >> >> >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------ > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:35 AM > >> >> >> >> > To: cf-community > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under > >> stress > >> >> or > >> >> >> >> > something? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Not sure whether that would work all that well. Up until > >> recently > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> > volunteer military was nearly the best in the world. > Conscript > >> >> armies > >> >> >> are > >> >> >> >> > typically nowhere near that good. I think something like a > >> National > >> >> >> >> Service > >> >> >> >> > would work better. Something similar to the Civilan > Conservation > >> >> Corps > >> >> >> >> > during the 30's. But with a military option as well. If > >> everyone is > >> >> >> >> required > >> >> >> >> > to serve in the military, how soon before everything else > become > >> >> >> >> militarized > >> >> >> >> > and we are all servants of the military. Latin America of the > >> 70's > >> >> and > >> >> >> >> 80's > >> >> >> >> > showed how well that sort of arrangement worked. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eric Roberts > >> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> I actually think that mandatory military service would > solve a > >> >> lot of > >> >> >> >> >> issues. We take too much for granted. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> >> >> >> Three Ravens Consulting > >> >> >> >> >> Eric Roberts > >> >> >> >> >> Owner/Developer > >> >> >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 > >> >> >> >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 > >> >> >> >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> >> >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:22 PM > >> >> >> >> >> To: cf-community > >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under > >> >> stress or > >> >> >> >> >> something? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Btw, I wouldn't have nearly the problem if we had a rigorous > >> and > >> >> >> >> >> continuous education system for firearms ownership and use. > >> >> Something > >> >> >> >> >> akin to a marshal arts training academy where you not only > >> learn > >> >> how > >> >> >> >> >> to fight but when to fight, how to engage and (most > >> importantly) > >> >> how > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> > when to walk away. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> It would also be different if we had a mandatory military > >> service > >> >> >> >> >> period, ala Israel, that required rigorous training in > firearms > >> >> >> safety > >> >> >> >> >> and engagement. If we really want a commonly armed > citizenry, > >> we > >> >> >> ought > >> >> >> >> >> to do away with the volunteer military and establish a > >> mandatory > >> >> >> >> >> service period with appropriate training. I've gone back and > >> >> forth of > >> >> >> >> >> the wisdom of such an approach. It's something I'm still > >> mulling > >> >> over > >> >> >> >> >> and can see the pros and cons of. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Judah > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:354197 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
